Derek B Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 6 hours ago, scvrobeson said: Stellar work Anthony! Your Phantom continues to set the standard. Your attention to detail really will make it all worthwhile at the end. Was there a standard for the ladders? You did yours green, but the picture from Derek has it red, and I think I've seen yellow as well. Was it just whatever the ground crews had on hand? Matt Hi Matt, Originally, yellow, then NATO dark green later (you will notice that there is a standard green set of front red steps). As a manufacturer, we (BAe) had red steps (McDonnell Douglas used both yellow and red steps, but mostly yellow). I think that some of the RAF units that conducted major overhaul of the aircraft (and training units) occasionally used red steps as well (but these were mostly yellow as well in the main), but at operational squadron level, they were generally gloss yellow (late 60's to late 70's, then dark green thereafter. Looks like the RN FAA preferred red steps. The above image is also BAe at RAF Scampton as per my images. HTH Derek scvrobeson, amurray, Marcel111 and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scvrobeson Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Thanks for the awesome info Derek. It's much appreciated Matt Anthony in NZ and Derek B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted February 3 Author Share Posted February 3 On 2/2/2024 at 12:08 PM, monthebiff said: Looking good Anthony but when can we have some paint please Regards. Andy LOL, yes sir, as soon as I can....I hope I am not sub consciously stalling like I did with the cockpit However I am excited to paint her once all the prep is finished. On 2/2/2024 at 8:13 PM, geedubelyer said: Smashing work on the ladder Anthony. Very realistic. Did you consider punching out discs of metal foil for the washers on the hot area? This has become the ultimate F-4 build. So many beautiful details. Keep at it, you'll get there in the end. There's less of this elephant left to eat now. Remember, small bites Thanks! Yes I did but the trials I did I just wasnt super happy with. They still looked like they sat too proud and when I used thinner foil I struggled to get a clean 'çut' and when primering and buffing the surface they fell off or got easily damaged. I had some PE discs but they looked like saucers stuck to the side in scale... Actually you are right, I have almost eaten the Elephant, I definitely can see the end in sight now! On 2/3/2024 at 12:34 AM, Derek B said: Awesome ladder Anthony (much kudos to TonkaXV for producing such a fantastic set of ladders). Looks like you are making some real progress on this Anthony, even if the hot end is causing you some pain. My Phantom days with British Aerospace (BAe) back in the late 80's/early 90's: Thank you my friend! Yes those ladders saved me another scratchbuild job! I always love your photo's and advice, you always inspire me! Interesting to see several variations of the rear ladder too..... 19 hours ago, scvrobeson said: Stellar work Anthony! Your Phantom continues to set the standard. Your attention to detail really will make it all worthwhile at the end. Was there a standard for the ladders? You did yours green, but the picture from Derek has it red, and I think I've seen yellow as well. Was it just whatever the ground crews had on hand? Matt Thanks Matt, and thanks Derek for providing such a detailed answer for me! Not too much to add except Kerry's exceptional work on the nose leg continues....almost finished now, I think he said there is a little plumbing to still do. During Kerry's study of the leg he noticed it was slightly assymetric (or very slightly off centre) You can see that in the top of the leg where the triangular flanges are bigger on one side compared to the other. So aside from being thicker the FG.1 leg was very slightly offset. Oh and the side u/c door opens up past 90deg Cheers guys Anthony Model_Monkey, Landrotten Highlander, patricksparks and 15 others 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scvrobeson Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 Exceptional levels of research that are going into this build Matt Derek B and Anthony in NZ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 On 2/4/2024 at 1:28 PM, scvrobeson said: Exceptional levels of research that are going into this build Matt Thanks Matt, surprising myself at whats coming up as well. Then you speak to the appropiate(usually groundcrew) person, they go ...oh yeah, we did that all the time or, yes that's how it should be etc.... Hopefully this is getting it all in one place for future Brit Phantom builds. So, back to the 'hot area' I really need to deal with this as its what has me on the brink of walking away LOL. So the rod insert thing seems to do the trick, painfully slow but working. Here is a couple of pics of where I have got to. As you can see there are still a few 'rogue' washers and some with dodgy screw holes in the centre, but I will fix those. The aim here is to get close and then let everything cure and sink for a few days then hopefully I can do all the fine tuning and finish this side Then of course there is the other side Note above also here there are extra washers/fasteners down the side panels too Placed a reheat can in just to see how it looks overall Yikes these huge pictures really show up all the imperfections etc! Still obviously a bit to go here to make it look better, but time to breathe, step back and look at the big picture again Might look at the Vari ramps while this area all cures Cheers Anthony Marcel111, IainM, scvrobeson and 18 others 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amurray Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 This build just gets better and better! Your skills are without equal. But equally impressive are the number of fellow modelers who have lent their expertise to you to help you achieve this work. And there are those who helped with aftermarket parts and their own custom made parts (e.g., TonkaXV, Kerry, et al.). It is amazing to me how the internet has made our hobby what it is especially in the realm of one-on-one personal advice and assistance even going back to the old rec.models.scale in the early days of the web circa 1995. Anthony in NZ, F`s are my favs and Derek B 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted February 9 Author Share Posted February 9 13 minutes ago, amurray said: This build just gets better and better! Your skills are without equal. But equally impressive are the number of fellow modelers who have lent their expertise to you to help you achieve this work. And there are those who helped with aftermarket parts and their own custom made parts (e.g., TonkaXV, Kerry, et al.). It is amazing to me how the internet has made our hobby what it is especially in the realm of one-on-one personal advice and assistance even going back to the old rec.models.scale in the early days of the web circa 1995. Oh absolutely mate! This build would be nothing without the help of a lot of other people. I cant thank enough Kerry, @Derek B, @Gene K, @Greg W, @scjh, @Iain in the early days....... my goodness I am too scared to do a list because the help has been endless, even just the encouragement from people like yourself, @wunwinglow, @airscale, @chuck540z3, @Ali62, @Cees Broere, @Marcel111, @vvwse4, @Spooky56, @Starfighter, @AlbertD, @DonH, @Troy Molitor, @Tony T, @scvrobeson @Kagemusha, @LSP_Kevin, @mozart, @spyrosjzmichos, @Barry, @GMK, @Chek, @jenshb, @Jet Passion, @Turecki, @Landrotten Highlander, @IainM, @jimbo59, @Rainer Hoffmann, @geedubelyer, @easixpedro, @D.B. Andrus, @MDuv, @thierry laurent......honestly these are the names that just quickly pop into my head, but I know that as soon as I hit submit I am going to remember more, and I am going to feel terrible about that! I honestly appreciate everyones help and support, as well as a bunch of guys over at Britmodeller! And sadly, Mike @seiran01, it's all his fault! He sold me the kit and conversion......and mate, I thought we were friends! Sorry if I missed anyone out, I hate making lists like that because you invariably set yourself up to fall by forgetting someones valuable comment at just the right time, or part supplied to make my life a little easier. THis hobby has changed for sure, but only for the good! Now I need to hurry up and finish this so you guys get a state of the art Brit Toom in 1/32! Cheers Anthony KiwiZac, GMK, Marcel111 and 17 others 13 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyrosjzmichos Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Anthony, it's been a real treat following your project and still can't get enough of it! Feel honoured to be mentioned! Anthony in NZ, Gene K, scvrobeson and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 5 hours ago, Anthony in NZ said: Oh absolutely mate! This build would be nothing without the help of a lot of other people. I cant thank enough Kerry, @Derek B, @Gene K, @Greg W, @scjh, @Iain in the early days....... my goodness I am too scared to do a list because the help has been endless, even just the encouragement from people like yourself, @wunwinglow, @airscale, @chuck540z3, @Ali62, @Cees Broere, @Marcel111, @vvwse4, @Spooky56, @Starfighter, @AlbertD, @DonH, @Troy Molitor, @Tony T, @scvrobeson @Kagemusha, @LSP_Kevin, @mozart, @spyrosjzmichos, @Barry, @GMK, @Chek, @jenshb, @Jet Passion, @Turecki, @Landrotten Highlander, @IainM, @jimbo59, @Rainer Hoffmann, @geedubelyer, @easixpedro, @D.B. Andrus, @MDuv, @thierry laurent......honestly these are the names that just quickly pop into my head, but I know that as soon as I hit submit I am going to remember more, and I am going to feel terrible about that! I honestly appreciate everyones help and support, as well as a bunch of guys over at Britmodeller! And sadly, Mike @seiran01, it's all his fault! He sold me the kit and conversion......and mate, I thought we were friends! Sorry if I missed anyone out, I hate making lists like that because you invariably set yourself up to fall by forgetting someones valuable comment at just the right time, or part supplied to make my life a little easier. THis hobby has changed for sure, but only for the good! Now I need to hurry up and finish this so you guys get a state of the art Brit Toom in 1/32! Cheers Anthony Hi Anthony, Every positive contribution - no matter how small or whom from - is a massive help and is instrumental to you achieving your ultimate goal, whether that be simply encouragement, technical information, insight or actual hardware, so I also extend my thanks to the many friends who have stood up to assist you...everybody has something to bring to the party! Derek Landrotten Highlander, amurray, Anthony in NZ and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scvrobeson Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 The enjoyment or watching this build and all of the info that's come out of it is more than worth the price of admission. Sometimes I get an idea to go back and read through all 112 pages of it just to see the evolution of this project. It's going to be immaculate when it crosses the finish line Matt Derek B and Anthony in NZ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybach_man Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 Hi Anthony: Amazing project, great work I will be at Kemble next weekend, so if you need any photo's let me know and i will ask the powers that be if I can oblige. wunwinglow, Anthony in NZ, Derek B and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amurray Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 21 hours ago, Anthony in NZ said: Oh absolutely mate! This build would be nothing without the help of a lot of other people. I cant thank enough Kerry, @Derek B, @Gene K, @Greg W, @scjh, @Iain in the early days....... my goodness I am too scared to do a list because the help has been endless, even just the encouragement from people like yourself, @wunwinglow, @airscale, @chuck540z3, @Ali62, @Cees Broere, @Marcel111, @vvwse4, @Spooky56, @Starfighter, @AlbertD, @DonH, @Troy Molitor, @Tony T, @scvrobeson @Kagemusha, @LSP_Kevin, @mozart, @spyrosjzmichos, @Barry, @GMK, @Chek, @jenshb, @Jet Passion, @Turecki, @Landrotten Highlander, @IainM, @jimbo59, @Rainer Hoffmann, @geedubelyer, @easixpedro, @D.B. Andrus, @MDuv, @thierry laurent......honestly these are the names that just quickly pop into my head, but I know that as soon as I hit submit I am going to remember more, and I am going to feel terrible about that! I honestly appreciate everyones help and support, as well as a bunch of guys over at Britmodeller! And sadly, Mike @seiran01, it's all his fault! He sold me the kit and conversion......and mate, I thought we were friends! Sorry if I missed anyone out, I hate making lists like that because you invariably set yourself up to fall by forgetting someones valuable comment at just the right time, or part supplied to make my life a little easier. THis hobby has changed for sure, but only for the good! Now I need to hurry up and finish this so you guys get a state of the art Brit Toom in 1/32! Cheers Anthony I mentioned only two of many. No slight intended. As regards Mike, we likely owe him high praise for knowing the proper modeler to whom to entrust the build. CODY, Derek B, Anthony in NZ and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaos07 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Your progress is inspiring. You nailed the wear on the top of the ladder, and awesome work on the hot section for those pesky large washers. amurray, Anthony in NZ and Derek B 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cees Broere Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Anthony, Its all your fault. Thanks to you I had to persevere and look what happened. I have ended up with not one, but two UK Phantoms, a FG-1 and FGR-2. The horror! But seriously, as that Collins chap used to say, I still think that dreary grey livery you plan to use is wrong. Derek B, vvwse4 and Anthony in NZ 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel111 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Looking very neat! You have a consistent shroud/nozzle gap, super hard to achieve, well done! Anthony in NZ and Derek B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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