Shawn M Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 damn, next level after next level daHeld and airscale 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 14 hours ago, airscale said: I will probably just plunge mould PETG panels in boiling water as this completely preserves the optical clarity Interesting ... thanks Peter. airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahman104 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Well done Peter, I can absolutely understand the complexity of what you're trying to do here. Having all the drawings in the world doesn't make producing a 3 dimensional part any easier! That little metal box with the wires coming out of it....... how did you make that without seams? Advanced trickery and awesomeness I take it? Brilliant work as always though. Craig Oh yes I got up close and personal with the real deal at Oshkosh. Took plenty of pics for you, but I think you have the situation well and truely in hand! daHeld and airscale 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonH Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Fnah, you missed the little paper label hanging from the string on the silver box thingy. I look at the photos of the real thing and then look at the parts you make. I think "hmmm, that doesn't look quite right" and I refer back to the photo. Then I realise I missed some little detail that you have added. You must have eyes like an eagle and the patience of a saint. daHeld and airscale 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodgem37 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Nice problem-solving and execution. Good work on the windshield master, a complicated shape, and pull. Good luck with the hatch. Sincerely, Mark daHeld and airscale 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayW Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 The windshield looks to be a major challenge. It was a shortcoming of sorts on my 1/18 P-51D which has an entirely different windshield. And I overcame it by completely scratch building the wind shield. It was entirely single curvature (or nearly so) - which allowed me to simply roll form the "glass" from thin gage clear plastic, as opposed to a vac form. The periphery trim being the biggest challenge - to mate it to the existing shape on the fuselage, and the posts and frame. Also, I took that opportunity to make the posts and aft frame in such a way that they would accept the "glass", and look like the separate parts that they truly are. This also allowed me to use thick gage clear plastic for the bullet-proof flat screen. With the exception of the small upper compound-curved segment (which would require a vac form), you could do the same thing if you wanted. Oh what a project it would be - but with your mad skills anything is possible! However I have no doubt you will make it look totally real no matter what method you choose. airscale and daHeld 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zactoman Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 On 8/18/2019 at 10:09 PM, DonH said: Fnah, you missed the little paper label hanging from the string on the silver box thingy. I look at the photos of the real thing and then look at the parts you make. I think "hmmm, that doesn't look quite right" and I refer back to the photo. Then I realise I missed some little detail that you have added. You must have eyes like an eagle and the patience of a saint. My Take: "I look at the photos of the real thing and then look at the parts you make. Then I realize they are both photos of the model." Insane workmanship... LSP_Kevin, airscale, DonH and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airscale Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 evening you fine fellows thanks for stopping by & chiming in - makes my day to see people like my model On 8/18/2019 at 9:38 PM, LSP_Kevin said: What's the name of the planet you're from again? Kev Umm planet Aircorps Kev - I spend so much time buried in drawings on their website trying to understand stuff I might as well live there... On 8/19/2019 at 4:29 AM, brahman104 said: Well done Peter, I can absolutely understand the complexity of what you're trying to do here. Having all the drawings in the world doesn't make producing a 3 dimensional part any easier! That little metal box with the wires coming out of it....... how did you make that without seams? Advanced trickery and awesomeness I take it? Brilliant work as always though. Craig Oh yes I got up close and personal with the real deal at Oshkosh. Took plenty of pics for you, but I think you have the situation well and truely in hand! Hi Craig - the metal box is basically a cube of ali cut from a bit of scrap I had lying around - so no seams I would love to see any pics you have from Oshkosh, I don't have many of the finished aircraft, mine are mainly the resto shots.. On 8/19/2019 at 5:09 AM, DonH said: Fnah, you missed the little paper label hanging from the string on the silver box thingy. Don't laugh, I nearly did, then thankfully I saw a picture of it wired up - ergo no label On 8/20/2019 at 10:14 PM, JayW said: The windshield looks to be a major challenge. It was a shortcoming of sorts on my 1/18 P-51D which has an entirely different windshield. And I overcame it by completely scratch building the wind shield. It was entirely single curvature (or nearly so) - which allowed me to simply roll form the "glass" from thin gage clear plastic, as opposed to a vac form. The periphery trim being the biggest challenge - to mate it to the existing shape on the fuselage, and the posts and frame. Also, I took that opportunity to make the posts and aft frame in such a way that they would accept the "glass", and look like the separate parts that they truly are. This also allowed me to use thick gage clear plastic for the bullet-proof flat screen. With the exception of the small upper compound-curved segment (which would require a vac form), you could do the same thing if you wanted. Oh what a project it would be - but with your mad skills anything is possible! However I have no doubt you will make it look totally real no matter what method you choose. Thanks Jay, it's so nice to have someone who has done all this before as my wingman I did start thinking I would vacform it, but after my usual failings I did almost what you said - pane of glass by pane of glass as will be seen in a minute ..I made up a new master plug to correct some shortcomings including not leaving overhangs at the back as can be seen sat on the wing - I used one of the pulls to just fill in some of where I have been chopping the fuselage about as I was starting to lose my bearings.. this is simply plumbers ali tape on the cockpit glass and a bit of litho to force the P40 filler into a nice profile of the fuselage.. ..I then used the mould/plug as a basis to just form the windshield panels out of PETG one at a time. The method was to immerse in boiling water and once soft put on a 2 inch thick bit of foam and just press down until it hardened again. Without moving I then scribed the reference of some of the straight parts of the mould so I knew exactly how it sat on the mould.. ..these blobs are soon turned into the panels themselves as can be seen at the bottom - i removed a tiny strip of the protective covering around the edges so I can assemble it, but still protect it - the fact there is virtually no aggressive heat in this process means they will be crystal clear ..sides are on the mould and the other parts coming together... the black sharpie edging means when you assemble it there is a visible trick where the thickness of the plastic just disappears.. ..CA was carefully wicked into joints as it was held on the mould and presto, a windshield... I also formed the rear former from brass around the mould and with a bit of brute force & ignorance.. ..as this bit starts to come together, I need to drop in the instrument panel so I can build up the coaming around it and ultimately the windshield - as such the parts were assembled .... dummy instruments & bits were added to the back to keep it three dimensional.. ..and dry fitted in place... ..I have also started to form the coaming - tricky as it is inside the windshield so needs to almost touch it all the way round, but also be a rigid shape to go around the panel - you might be able to just see it here.. thats it for now, take care y'all TTFN Peter BlackCanopy, LSP_Kevin, Out2gtcha and 23 others 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rigor Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 What the &$$&$ that wind shield is killer. That's a great little tip on making one love The ip also airscale and daHeld 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck540z3 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Peter, Again, like many others, I have no more words to describe your fantastic modeling skills, but I should still say the following: You are very best, period. Thank you for your continuing posts of your P-51C journey. Chuck Edited August 22, 2019 by chuck540z3 airscale and daHeld 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn M Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 wow man, this is just......wow airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monthebiff Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Amazing modelling skills as always Peter but can I just say that cockpit is just incredible!! Regards. Andy airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R Palimaka Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Where is the "astonished" emoji? As others have said, sometimes you have to look twice to confirm that you are looing at the model and not photos of the real thing. This is turning into a detailed encyclopedia of the P-51B/C Mustang. Just beautiful. Richard daHeld and airscale 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brahman104 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) Only too happy to help Peter! She is absolutely spectacular in the flesh! Interesting one here.... note the amount of random anodized rivets included in the mix. I trust yours will show the same!!!! They didn't have the cockpit open unfortunately, but I tried my best with the light, and people hmmmm, it's like I've seen this somewhere else before? Note the imperfect green and yellow lines on the strut This is super cool.... the dedication to the individual panel finishes in unbelieveable! I found this really interesting..... I always assumed the intake was a pressed/formed piece, but this looks like it's cast...... May be a good thing for you.... no skinning!!!! Also, amusing to learn he pretty much decided to issue himself the plane! Great read! Enjoy Peter Craig Edited August 22, 2019 by brahman104 KiwiZac, airscale, Uilleann and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonH Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Do I notice some rivets missing? Is that for ventilation/drainage? airscale 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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