LSP_Mike Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Yes! RLWP 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince14 Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 Is this the part where I point out that the ‘Laminar Flow’ wing being the key to the Mustang’s success is a total myth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonH Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 No matter how hard I try with filler, I can never get rid of a seam line. Does this mean I have the requisite skills to render the perfect Mustang wing? Puttied but with a hint of rivet and panel lines. At last I have found an application for my lack of application. nmayhew, thierry laurent, TAG and 5 others 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbk57 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, DonH said: No matter how hard I try with filler, I can never get rid of a seam line. Does this mean I have the requisite skills to render the perfect Mustang wing? Puttied but with a hint of rivet and panel lines. At last I have found an application for my lack of application. I think so, others may not. I don't think a perfectly smooth wing would make for a very appealing model. Just me though. I think knowing what is right is an important baseline. Imitating perfect though I am not sure is desirable. I think it better to have an imperfect interpretation of perfect and so leave something for the eye to see. LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radub Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, vince14 said: Is this the part where I point out that the ‘Laminar Flow’ wing being the key to the Mustang’s success is a total myth? You must be reading a whole different thread. No one is denying that the wing was puttied, polished and lacquered. The "argument" is that some people believe that the puttied and lacquered Mustang wing was smooth and featureless while the reality (backed by plenty of evidence that is conveniently/flippantly dismissed/ignored) Is more nuanced. The panel lines insisted on showing through the putty. It does not matter what is the reason for that, they just did. My own advice is to leave the wing alone. Just give it a couple of coats of 50/50 mix of light grey and silver paint, then DO NOT use any panel line "wash" and that should be enough. All manufacturers put wing panel lines on the latest models (although they are all aware of the "smooth wing internet meme") because all of these manufacturers saw the panel lines on the wings when they researched their models. Go to museums, go to air shows, look at the walk-arounds in books or internet, see for yourselves. Radu Edited December 12, 2019 by Radub CANicoll and jimbo 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Lothar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radub Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Artful69 said: This is the "flippancy" I was referring to. ;-) Radu nmayhew 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 35 minutes ago, Radub said: All manufacturers put wing panel lines on the latest models (although they are all aware of the "smooth wing internet meme") because all of these manufacturers saw the panel lines on the wings when they researched their models. Go to museums, go to air shows, look at the walk-arounds in books or internet, see for yourselves. Radu Plus, if they left any panel lines out they would get criticised to death on internet forums I am very much in your second camp, only I'd add make models based on real world photos of an actual aeroplane. It's the only way to be sure you are getting it 'right'*, assuming that's your thing It's a great way of learning about a particular 'plane too Richard *whatever the hell that means Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmayhew Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 14 hours ago, RLWP said: On the wing or on the forum? ha ha you beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony T Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 I reckon them thar puttied joins flaked some with all the creakin and flexin and stuff and the sheet from them thar shooting irons and all the other crud 'n' crap got duly polished in. As it's de riguer these days to fill painted models with a dark clay wash to highlight panel and fastener detail you could say it's fashionable not to pre-putty but post-putty. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince14 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Radub said: You must be reading a whole different thread. No, just going to throw something in there to upset the apple cart even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentE Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 9 hours ago, Radub said: Go to museums, go to air shows, look at the walk-arounds in books or internet, see for yourselves. Yet the majority of the latest "by the manual" restorations have very smooth wings. There are many, many "restorations" in museums that have very little in common with a factory-finished wartime P-51. Wear and tear surely reduced the factory finishes smoothness, but a couple coats of paint Tamiya's wing is not going to approximate the wartime finish. John1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radub Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 minute ago, BrentE said: Yet the majority of the latest "by the manual" restorations have very smooth wings. There are many, many "restorations" in museums that have very little in common with a factory-finished wartime P-51. Wear and tear surely reduced the factory finishes smoothness, but a couple coats of paint Tamiya's wing is not going to approximate the wartime finish. You can see the lines in many wartime photos. I posted a few wartime photos above. You only need an open mind to see them. Radu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrentE Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Radub said: You can see the lines in many wartime photos. I posted a few wartime photos above. You only need an open mind to see them. Radu You can see hints of lines\rivets in many photos, none in others. Regardless, a wing festooned with panel lines and rivets under a couple coats of paint is not particularly accurate. Having said that, I do agree that the chord-wise panel lines at the end of the wings and wing end caps were left unfilled, almost certainly because wingtip of removal during transport. D.B. Andrus and nmayhew 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringleheim Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 16 hours ago, cbk57 said: I think so, others may not. I don't think a perfectly smooth wing would make for a very appealing model. Just me though. I think knowing what is right is an important baseline. Imitating perfect though I am not sure is desirable. I think it better to have an imperfect interpretation of perfect and so leave something for the eye to see. That is definitely not just you! You seem to get it where many folks around here do not. As I have said many times, building plastic models is first and foremost an artistic exercise. To do it right, you should be thinking like an artist...not an engineer. mozart, Gazzas and CANicoll 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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