Do you want a 1/32 P-3 Orion?

[bobster]

As mentioned before, I am in on a 1/32 P-3 !! Please don't forget me!

[LSP_K2]

Yes, assuming it's made out of pure gold, weighs two pounds and I can buy it for $20.

[Jan_G]

I have received my copy of 1/32 Electra 2 weeks ago.

Here are few pics of the content, so you can get idea what to expect.

 

While I was looking forward to recieve the kit, after the initial inbox check I was little bit torn when thinking about real value for money (compared to big and expensive and still not perfect HPH fiber/resin kits). So my initial thoughts were same as Kev decribed above.

I was fully aware what to expect when ordering, I have checked Iain's review and WIP of Andover carefully (Mark's WIP as well).

However I was somehow dissapointed with rough small parts, some of them unusable. On the other hand surface of main parts is better then I was expecting.

 

What is really impressive is the size of Electra in our scale (SH Whirlwind for comparison)

 

 

 

surface is acceptable, I will have to rescribe new panel lines

 

 

 

 

 

internal surface is quite acceptable as well when considering simple lines of passenger cabin and should be no big deal to make it smoother

 

fit of the main parts seems to be good

 

wings and engines

 

 

 

wheel wells - simplified and too rough

 

and smaller parts

propellers - hard to say anything

 

cockpit parts

 

internal structure

 

passenger seats

lounge seats

 

and some unusable stuff - landing gear - this will needs to be made from scratch

I was thinking that if there would be option to pay extra for higher resolution print of some smaller parts at least, I would go for it.

Somehow I think that instead of some rough parts, detailed scale plans could be more helpfull to finish the build.

 

Pls don't get me wrong with my initial thoughts, I'm not blaming the kit. Im happy that we have option to buy airliners in 1/32 and I'm already thinking about preordering of Bréguet 763 Deux-Ponts, however first I will try to start the Electra build and test my own skills.

 

[LSP_Kevin]

Thanks for posting those photos, Jan. My 1/72 kit looks pretty much the same, only the props and landing gear are even worse. I still would love to build it in 1/32 scale, though!

 

Kev

[Anthony in NZ]

Thanks Jan, really appreciate your pics!

Sheesh that's big.  What have I done LOL.  I am tempted at the Electra still. The resolution seems similar on the main parts but lower with the smaller parts possibly than on the Andover.

 

Still pretty excited to get the P-3 when it comes, Only way I was ever going to get one.  Still that's a super impressive kit in 1/32!  I cant imagine what Iain's P-8 looks like!

 

Cheers, my excitement level went up a notch!

Anthony

[thierry laurent]

We will just need a gallon of surfacer and one squared mile of sand paper and sanding sticks...! Too bad the smaller parts are not better. Obviously this would ask for more CAD time but this is not what is asking for a lot of printing time.

[LSP_Kevin]

1 hour ago, thierry laurent said:

We will just need a gallon of surfacer and one squared mile of sand paper and sanding sticks...! Too bad the smaller parts are not better. Obviously this would ask for more CAD time but this is not what is asking for a lot of printing time.

 

I think the CAD source is fine, but the problem lies with the relatively low-resolution FDM 3D printing process that Toshihiko currently uses. These smaller parts would greatly benefit from being printed on a higher-resolution SLA printer, which are available relatively cheaply these days. But this would likely increase the cost of the final kit; but I'm sure we'd all agree that it would be worth it. At the moment, he may as well not provide props and landing gear at all, so it's already a waste of time, money, and materials.

 

Kev

[orion4456]

My father was a flight engineer in VP8 and VP44 out of Pax river Maryland, spent many days riding to his hanger on my bicycle.

Can't tell you how many times i have been in one,  that build would be very sentimental for me.

[norbert]

I think the FDM is a good solution for strong and big parts, even if it requires a lot of filling and sanding. A solution would be to have access to the CAD for the smaller parts in addition, in order to print them on a phrozen or elego printer at much higher resolution

[LSP_Kevin]

3 hours ago, norbert said:

I think the FDM is a good solution for strong and big parts, even if it requires a lot of filling and sanding. A solution would be to have access to the CAD for the smaller parts in addition, in order to print them on a phrozen or elego printer at much higher resolution

 

I vaguely hinted at that idea to Toshihiko, but I think he misunderstood, and made the comment I quoted above about it being too expensive to print in higher resolutions. I also guess he would be very reluctant to hand over even a part of his CAD for fear of piracy. I think there would be a market for him to sell 'detail packs' for his kits, so that purchasers who have their own SLA printers can print them out to augment a kit.

 

Kev

[norbert]

22 minutes ago, LSP_Kevin said:

 

I vaguely hinted at that idea to Toshihiko, but I think he misunderstood, and made the comment I quoted above about it being too expensive to print in higher resolutions. I also guess he would be very reluctant to hand over even a part of his CAD for fear of piracy. I think there would be a market for him to sell 'detail packs' for his kits, so that purchasers who have their own SLA printers can print them out to augment a kit.

 

Kev

Being a manufacturer myself, I understant his feeling. But what will you do with the detail parts CAD when you do not have the major components ? sadly, the option today is to buy the kit, make ourself from the worst kit parts the CAD work that already exist, and print it much finer, and/or rebuild in scratch. Naturaly, the best option would be to get the detail parts in acceptable resolution with the kit

[LSP_Kevin]

Almost on cue, Toshihiko has just posted the comment below on Facebook:

 

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I will purchase one resin UV LCD printer within a few months. 1st one will be small and cheap one like Elegoo Mars 2 pro.

By testing this printer, I will consider 2nd larger one will be necessary or not.

Some small 1/32, 1/48, 1/72 parts will be resin 3 months later. And I will sell 1/144 resin kits.

5 years ago, both resin printer and ink bottles were very expensive and unreliable. But now get cheaper and durable.

 

Perhaps he is reading this thread?

 

Kev

[npb748r]

my modelling skills are not good enough to improve the smaller items on his kits to an acceptable level and I have zero knowledge or equipment for CAD and 3D printing (that will have to change I feel). If these kits came with better smaller parts I would definitely buy and build one so really looking forward to his proposed changes to resin for those bits. 

[thierry laurent]

Delayed to October. I hope he will integrate small parts made with his new printer. Wait and see.

[LSP_Kevin]

46 minutes ago, thierry laurent said:

Delayed to October. I hope he will integrate small parts made with his new printer. Wait and see.

 

And I hope he provides the opportunity to upgrade our existing Electra parts likewise!

 

Kev