[My opinion on the Lancaster from HK Models]

You post a review. You get mixed feedback. You come to LSP and complain about those that did it.

 

What did you expect?

 

Be critical in your reviews. Assume where you have to, but never a good idea to make critical assumptions. 

[My opinion on the Lancaster from HK Models]

5 hours ago, Eagle Driver said:

That last one was about the lack of color. Exclaiming LSM and that the fault for b&w instruction wasn't theirs. 
I actually don't care who's fault is, just didn't like paying 400+ British Pounds for b&w instructions Simple as that.

 

@barkhorn

[My opinion on the Lancaster from HK Models]

5 hours ago, Eagle Driver said:

One guy even started me on why I wonder about the LSM and AK involvement without asking about it first.

 

 

That was me. You seem to think that people who advise on shapes and stuff also have a say on the finished product in terms of instructions colour scheme sheets.. 

 

I corrected you. Sorry that offended you. 

 

Quote

Maybe next time I make a review I should reach out and ask all involved about how deep was their involvement and should wait endlessly for an answer before I post my opinion.

 

Or simply don't post stuff for which your assumption is factually incorrect.. You didn't ask. I would have given an instant answer. 

[New 1/32 F-4K/M (FG.1/FGR.2) Phantom kit announced by HKM]

35 minutes ago, Tony T said:

 

.....he is suggesting that Neil is behaving uncharacteristically and possibly on a serious downer — hardly a laughing matter. 

 

 

I'm in regular contact and have had nothing telling me he's on a serious downer etc.

 

My contact is as regular as it has been for the last years, plus he has just had a well-earned holiday.

[How would YOU do this camo?]

Just freehand it Brian. 

 

Your work is excellent and you're certainly more than capable of doing this scheme.

[1/32 B-29?]

Neil told me categorically that he has no interest in the B-29.

[Pink Spitfire]

6 minutes ago, Juggernut said:

Did the Mk IX PR version have the clear "wrap-around" windscreen like the XI did?  What about the wings, were those changed as well? 

 

No wraparound windscreen for this machine I built:

 

[1:32 HKM Lancaster Dambusters Lancaster Conversion kit]

18 hours ago, Mark P said:

And a great way to ignore all those ejector pin markings on the bomb bay roof and doors of the HK kit!!! 

 

Mark Proulx

 

Strangely enough, my bomb bay doors only have minimal pin marks at the end of the parts, and no sign ANYWHERE along the length, so perhaps this is an issue which isn't widespread?

[1:32 HKM Lancaster Dambusters Lancaster Conversion kit]

Shared over to LSM too.

[HK Lanc review]

3 hours ago, Jennings Heilig said:

Video reviews give me the creeps.  A video of a model nerd opening a box and pulling sprues out while mispronouncing the names of things like “nacelle” - no thanks.

 

I can only presume you are talking about he video link here, so why get personal?

 

Nige is a member here. Did he give un-American pronunciations? 

[HK Lanc review]

55 minutes ago, Lancman said:

Great review from Jeroen Peters on LSM it's only 2 parts so far but very detailed and there are already quite a few errors he has picked up that the aftermarket guys might fix. 

 

 https://forum.largescalemodeller.com/topic/6004-hk-models-132-avro-lancaster-mk1-part-1/?fbclid=IwAR3B9pHAmuw5z8zFLBjqjlR1JNrGNYRp9E8NLT2ehbLfhsb3jnQ0wOusWfM

 

Graham

 

Thanks Graham,

 

This is a thorough article and will be updated as the guys work through the kit.

[HK Lanc review]

7 hours ago, Dave Williams said:

The Tamiya 1/48 Lancaster kit was initially released in the mid 70s, and 70s era Tamiya is nothing like today’s Tamiya.  You look at a lot of their kits from that era, like the 1/48 Sea Harrier, F-15, and A-10s, and they weren’t particularaly accurate or well detailed by today’s standards.  At lot of their old armor kits had significant accuracy issues as well, as well as including motorizations holes in the hulls.  To be fair, a lot of the other kits of that era by the various other manufacturers weren’t much better as they were still considered mostly toys and few people cared that much about accuracy, nor had access to anywhere near the information we now have on the real things via the Internet.  It probably wasn’t until the 80s when Monogram started releasing the 1/48 Century series kits that manufactures started getting more serious about accuracy and detail, and even then it took a while for others, including Tamiya, to catch up.

 

Complaining about a 40+ year old Tamiya kit not being accurate isn’t particularly fair, all things considered.  If anyone was using a 1985 Tamiya Lanc as the accuracy standard to compare a 2018 kit to, that’s bad on them, not on Tamiya.

 

My point is that you rarely hear anyone ever criticise Tamiya, for anything, irrespective of age. I wasn't complaining about an old kit, per se, but that it was used as a basis for a modern tooling. 

 

 

6 hours ago, Gloucester Nige said:

 

I remember having that conversation with you James, that was back in 2013 I believe!!

 

I must say, one thing that did surprise me, especially after such a long time in development was the multitude of ejector pin marks on some of the detail surfaces, especially the bomb bay doors, in my opinion they look like they wouldnt go amiss in a Airfix 1970's kit.

 

As for the flap enclosures and bomb bay roof, I cant decide if they're EPM's or detail??

 

They are probably ejector pin marks. Mine had them, but as it was a test shot, I wasn't sure at the time whether this was a thing with an early moulding or not. Looks like it's common to production kits too, which is a shame.

[HK Lanc review]

If you're comparing the HK to the 1:48 Tamiya, good luck with that. The latter IS riddled with accuracy issues.

 

[GASP]Did he say a Tamiya kit was inaccurate?[/GASP]

 

Yes it is. There are numerous accuracy issues with the Tamiya 1:48 Lanc.

 

Whilst HK's kit can't claim to be 100% accurate (can any?), it was constantly reworked using a set of drawings which are known amongst enthusiasts to be the most accurate in existence (Granger). The reason for HK's kit being so late was the reworking of it, ironically removing inaccuracies that initially crept in due to using key shape and dimension issues from Tamiya's 1:48 relic.

[HK Lanc review]

I'm not generally a fan of them, but in all fairness, he has put some real effort in here with good clear footage of the parts and surface textures.

 

Kudos to him.

[HK Lanc in Aus (nearly)]

That's still around £100 less than UK customers will get it for.

 

Aussies are blessed.

[Paul Fisher Fire Relief - GoFundMe]

Donated. 

[1/32 Do-335 two seater (from HKM)]

16 hours ago, DeanKB said:

 

Then I remembered that it had a little swastika on its tail.

 

That's it! We must be closet Nazis. 

[1/32 Do-335 two seater (from HKM)]

6 minutes ago, Jack said:

 

So, i'm looking forward to the HK kit........

 

....so am I  

 

[WINGNUT WINGS LANCASTER!!!!!!!!!]

20 minutes ago, DonH said:

 

Are you posting your build online? If so, where can I find it?

 

Here you go...

https://forum.largescalemodeller.com/topic/5792-lancaster-b-mki-r5868-po-s-s-sugar/

[WINGNUT WINGS LANCASTER!!!!!!!!!]

I hold both companies in high regard, and I know both kits will be superb.

 

I'm part way through the HK kit, and when the WNW lands, I'll enjoy building that too!

[HKM 1/32 Lancaster Kit review]

5 minutes ago, Lancman said:

 

Back to the rads, will there be the 3 variants in the kit?

 

No.

[WINGNUT WINGS LANCASTER!!!!!!!!!]

Design work started in 2012, so 6yrs ago. Information direct from Neil.

[HKM 1/32 Lancaster Kit review]

52 minutes ago, Southern Bandit said:

It was more about soft as in undefined or should be defined I suppose that the original comment came from, but perhaps the softer photography style too? ... nobody mentioned round vs square, funny stuff though

Dont worry, we'll all have fun with our Lancaster's no matter the kit we choose.

 

 

This doesn’t measure against your analysis:

 

‘...the Lanc has a lot of square edges and corners, none of them are rounded over, they are all sharp and defined. The HK interiorparts all have soft round edges’. 

[HKM 1/32 Lancaster Kit review]

10 hours ago, 1to1scale said:

You took great photos, it’s what convinced me of my opinion. Look at pictures of the interior of sanding he real aircraft, the Lanc has a lot of square edges and corners, none of them are rounded over, they are all sharp and defined. The HK interior parts all have soft round edges, and I don’t believe in the “limitation of injection molding” cop out. It’s like the the difference between a Tamiya and Revell Corsair kit, the differences are noticeable. And no I am not comparing the HK to the yet to be made Wingnut, what I am saying, is that injection technology is advanced enough to make better quality kits. The HK Lancaster is the most expensive bomber to date, and I expected better from them. For $100, no big deal, but not for a top of the range kit. This thing is much more money than the B-17, and that is why I expect the best, but I don’t think we are getting the “best”. Again, my opinion, my money. I know people will buy this, build it, and make a beautiful kit. I can also see that there will be a Big Ed kit for it, as there is room for improvement, but at the top of the range, it should already be there.

 

Sorry, still confused. Can you see those soft edges here?

 

[HKM 1/32 Lancaster Kit review]

48 minutes ago, 1to1scale said:

I took a really close look at the HK sprues for this kit,  I have to say I am VERY disapointed. there are tons of ejector pin marks in visible places, the bomb bay pins are impossible to sand. A lot of interior structures have soft edges. I would expect this from a $100 kit, not a $350+ kit. I dont think I would buy this kit at all, especially knowing there is a better one a year away. 

 

Which internal structures have soft edges? I'm building it now and didn't notice any. Perhaps it was my photography?

 

Also, as for ejector pin marks, please remember that this is a TEST SHOT and not final quality. I can't say whether any pin marks will be seen on the final, but these things have tended to either lessen or disappear when HK do the finals.