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ZOUKEI MURA 2019-2020 - NEW P-51B/C, Bf-109G and Ar-234 ANNOUNCED!!!!!!

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That's right, I remember the story now. They 'mis-interpreted' the directive and this was their version of painting the yellow and red checkered band on the nose. They were ordered to do it right and Geronimo soon had the correct band, and a bubble hatch, IIRC.

I have had the Montex Mask scheme for this plane for years.

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On 11/25/2018 at 1:48 PM, Radub said:

This is supposed to be a hobby, a relaxing hobby. If this causes you such distress, you are doing it wrong. 

Radu 

 

unfortunatly, for many modelers i have met, the hobby IS the highlight of their life. And because it is, they have very limited funds to fuel it.

 

I also hope no modeler will be involved in the development of these kits because frankly when they are, the end product is, shall we way, mixed

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3 hours ago, Vincent/MDC said:

And knowing what Tamiya did with our original G6, it could very well be that they release their 1:32 version before ZM

 

                      You said WHAT ??

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On the Revell P-51 D-5, I was glad Revell released this kit because I've wanted an early D (no fin fillet) to do a specific paint finish and markings (Passion Wagon) with only the cockpit and undercarriage exposed. Both the Tamiya and ZM would have resulted in the waste of many details (engine, other internals) so the Revell kit is perfect to serve as a canvas for just the paint/markings finish.
I also have the Tamiya kit for a more detailed venture. There are more reasons other than price/details why people buy a specific kit.

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9 hours ago, MikeMaben said:

 

                      You said WHAT ??

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Exactly!

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I have a Trumpy P-51B which I believe is way off in many areas?

 

I have a Revell G6 which I believe it's way off in many areas?

 

I have a Fly AR234, but am not sure what it's like? Buildability or accuracy?

 

Will the ZM kits be better than the above?

 

Are their 219 and 335 better than Revell/HKM? 

 

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1 hour ago, Gloucester Nige said:

I have a Trumpy P-51B which I believe is way off in many areas?

 

I have a Revell G6 which I believe it's way off in many areas?

 

I have a Fly AR234, but am not sure what it's like? Buildability or accuracy?

 

Will the ZM kits be better than the above?

 

Are their 219 and 335 better than Revell/HKM? 

 

 

It’s impossible to guess whether some future kit will be better than an existing kit, but based on Z-Ms kits released so far, I’d say yes, especially for the P-51B/C.

 

For the 219, the ZM kit is more accurate (the Revell kit has issues with the nacelles), has more far more detail (which is a hallmark of ZM kits, including a lot of things that will never be seen), but FAR more expensive.  Generally, price and ease of build are what make people choose one over the other.

 

For the 335, both kits seem to be close in accuracy and the prices are closer.  As is typical, the ZM kit is more detailed, however it lacks the nose weight that’s included in the HK kit, and a lot of people don’t care for the clear plastic fuselage.  The HK kit is a simpler build, but it lacks the nose radiator matrix.  The choice between these kits is more personal taste.

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9 hours ago, Gloucester Nige said:

I have a Trumpy P-51B which I believe is way off in many areas?

 

I have a Revell G6 which I believe it's way off in many areas?

 

I have a Fly AR234, but am not sure what it's like? Buildability or accuracy?

 

Will the ZM kits be better than the above?

 

Are their 219 and 335 better than Revell/HKM? 

 

 

Yes , which is why you'll pay 3 to 5 times as much for them.  :rolleyes:

 

 

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13 hours ago, Gloucester Nige said:

I have a Trumpy P-51B which I believe is way off in many areas?

 

I have a Revell G6 which I believe it's way off in many areas?

 

I have a Fly AR234, but am not sure what it's like? Buildability or accuracy?

 

Will the ZM kits be better than the above?

 

Are their 219 and 335 better than Revell/HKM? 

 

 

Hey Nige ... Happy New Year! .. Still haven't gotten around to watching your Lanc' review - but I do have it queued to watch at some point ... I just don't have the financial capacity to invest in the kit yet!! :)

 

I'm guessing that the Trumpeter P-51B kit was handed off to the 'B' team from inception as the 'A' team were either 1/ probably working on something else or 2/ were on holiday at the time. At any rate ... the 'B' team must have lost interest and handed the project over to the interns ... Aside from the accuracy issues and 'fake' detail, which are pretty much beyond fixable - I believe (from build reviews I've seen) that the kit has some really awful engineering/fit issues reminiscent of some poor kits created 3-4 decades earlier. So ... even if you weren't an accuracy nut - the build would frustrate you no end (probably?) ... I know engineering/fit/finish are weighted higher than accuracy in my 'buy or burn' index which is why i selected the Trumpeter P-47D over the Hasegawa kit.

 

The Revell G-6 ... If Revell's A team had worked on this kit (let's face it - they're becoming as hit-and-miss as Trumpeter is these days, albeit cheaper in Europe) then we probably would have ended up with the definitive 109G kit ... as it was we ended up with a kit that had some questionable engineering choices in assembly ... annnnnnd a few accuracy issues. Nothing, of course, like the Trumpeter P-51B above and most fall under the 'fixable' banner ... But it made the individuals 'buy-or-burn' decision between the Hasegawa, Trumpeter and Revell kits (leaving out the product fanboy factor) one of: which issues/inaccuracies can you live with? ... and what price you were willing to pay? ... In short, they all have issues - do your review research - and select based on personal taste. There is, of course, a plethora of AM detail and correction stuff available also.

 

The Fly Ar-234 represents a decent bang-for-buck kit ... and like most kits being issued from the Czeck Republic these days is a clever mixture of media to achieve the end result - which looks pretty decent. The IM components cover the basics and are fashioned in the typical limited or short run style ... yet the detail is well above average expected for this medium, really! Resin fills in the details in the outstanding way that resin usually does. it's not without the odd inaccuracy - which is really a take-it-or-leave-it proposition (wing and nacelle sweep/angle of attack I think??) ... and the only other option in this scale is Radu's resin kit design released through MDC - which IS accurate (as most - if not all - of his stuff is) - yet pricey in comparison.

 

It depends on what your definition of 'better' means in relation to the above ... In terms of the P-51B, it's hard to imagine anyone NOT putting together a kit better than the Trumpeter offering. So I'd say that, however ZM's kit turns out, it's bound to be better in just about every aspect ... although HKM has one in the pipeline also (announced a while back) so if both products make it to market in similar timeframes it'll be a case of making a comparison similar to the Do-335 I'd expect. In short - I'd say almost a definite yes!

Given that Tamiya haven't released a 1/32 kit for some time now - and the scuttlebutt is that they are shying away from 1/32 for a while ... I doubt we'll see an upscaling for the excellent 1/48 109G-6 that they released a little while back (though I still live in hope!). This presents ZM with an excellent opportunity to print currency ... Though a couple of their past kits have lacked some finesse in detail and have been slightly off in some (minimal) areas of accuracy - they seem to be improving exponentially and their later releases are (dare I say it) becoming Tamiya-esque in quality (they weren't too far off the mark with their first few releases anyway!). If they can get the accuracy part with the 109G-6 right (which no-one else seems to have done) ... then I'd expect we'll finally end up with a (close to) definitive 109G-6 - with the usual great detail given by ZM and very little quibbles. In short - More than likely, yes - but wait to see plastic/reviews.

As far as the Ar-234 is concerned ... With ZM IM plastic throughout (regardless of which drawings they use for wing/nacelle) I'd say the the answer is pretty much: As Above. Of course the same caveat will determine whether Radu's resin kit remains king of the mountain in the accuracy department. To be honest - and using my criteria for kit selection - the Fly Model kit is a satisfactory representation as it stands ... but I'd love to see what ZM come up with!

 

As far as the last two kits mentioned are concerned ... again, better is a highly subjective term. Personally I'd say that, if you have the cash available, the ZM He.219 is a no-brainer selection over the Revell kit ... it's far more detailed, has a unique build style (as all ZM products do) and is a far more accurate representation than it's Revell counterpart. It's not 100% (as no kit ever is) ... but the overall difference in just about every 'buy-or-burn' selection criteria (excepting price) is fairly substantial in comparison to the difference between the HKM and ZM Do.335 releases. With these two being more or less the same end result accuracy/external detail wise, I'd suggest the decision would ultimately come down to preferred build type (the usual IM kit style vs the unique ZM option) and price (which will depend on where in the world you are and what you can have your product delivered for).

 

Rog :)

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I am wondering, why there is still no thread specifically for Revell Mustang /FW-190 too deserves such I believe/ where everybody can blabber about it. If I remember this is a thread for ZM new releases. I bet that if you download this in word and do a keyword search for Revell or Tamiya you will get more hits than Zoukei, Mura or ZM.

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^^ Thread drift is very prevalent in here.  It always starts out about the intended subject.  Then someone makes a post about what they wish ZM would release and how we don't need another Bf 109G, etc. and then it becomes a "wish list" thread eventually.  Seems like all threads left to their own devices start turning into "wish list" threads.

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5 hours ago, Artful69 said:

 

Hey Nige ... Happy New Year! .. Still haven't gotten around to watching your Lanc' review - but I do have it queued to watch at some point ... I just don't have the financial capacity to invest in the kit yet!! :)

 

I'm guessing that the Trumpeter P-51B kit was handed off to the 'B' team from inception as the 'A' team were either 1/ probably working on something else or 2/ were on holiday at the time. At any rate ... the 'B' team must have lost interest and handed the project over to the interns ... Aside from the accuracy issues and 'fake' detail, which are pretty much beyond fixable - I believe (from build reviews I've seen) that the kit has some really awful engineering/fit issues reminiscent of some poor kits created 3-4 decades earlier. So ... even if you weren't an accuracy nut - the build would frustrate you no end (probably?) ... I know engineering/fit/finish are weighted higher than accuracy in my 'buy or burn' index which is why i selected the Trumpeter P-47D over the Hasegawa kit.

 

The Revell G-6 ... If Revell's A team had worked on this kit (let's face it - they're becoming as hit-and-miss as Trumpeter is these days, albeit cheaper in Europe) then we probably would have ended up with the definitive 109G kit ... as it was we ended up with a kit that had some questionable engineering choices in assembly ... annnnnnd a few accuracy issues. Nothing, of course, like the Trumpeter P-51B above and most fall under the 'fixable' banner ... But it made the individuals 'buy-or-burn' decision between the Hasegawa, Trumpeter and Revell kits (leaving out the product fanboy factor) one of: which issues/inaccuracies can you live with? ... and what price you were willing to pay? ... In short, they all have issues - do your review research - and select based on personal taste. There is, of course, a plethora of AM detail and correction stuff available also.

 

The Fly Ar-234 represents a decent bang-for-buck kit ... and like most kits being issued from the Czeck Republic these days is a clever mixture of media to achieve the end result - which looks pretty decent. The IM components cover the basics and are fashioned in the typical limited or short run style ... yet the detail is well above average expected for this medium, really! Resin fills in the details in the outstanding way that resin usually does. it's not without the odd inaccuracy - which is really a take-it-or-leave-it proposition (wing and nacelle sweep/angle of attack I think??) ... and the only other option in this scale is Radu's resin kit design released through MDC - which IS accurate (as most - if not all - of his stuff is) - yet pricey in comparison.

 

It depends on what your definition of 'better' means in relation to the above ... In terms of the P-51B, it's hard to imagine anyone NOT putting together a kit better than the Trumpeter offering. So I'd say that, however ZM's kit turns out, it's bound to be better in just about every aspect ... although HKM has one in the pipeline also (announced a while back) so if both products make it to market in similar timeframes it'll be a case of making a comparison similar to the Do-335 I'd expect. In short - I'd say almost a definite yes!

Given that Tamiya haven't released a 1/32 kit for some time now - and the scuttlebutt is that they are shying away from 1/32 for a while ... I doubt we'll see an upscaling for the excellent 1/48 109G-6 that they released a little while back (though I still live in hope!). This presents ZM with an excellent opportunity to print currency ... Though a couple of their past kits have lacked some finesse in detail and have been slightly off in some (minimal) areas of accuracy - they seem to be improving exponentially and their later releases are (dare I say it) becoming Tamiya-esque in quality (they weren't too far off the mark with their first few releases anyway!). If they can get the accuracy part with the 109G-6 right (which no-one else seems to have done) ... then I'd expect we'll finally end up with a (close to) definitive 109G-6 - with the usual great detail given by ZM and very little quibbles. In short - More than likely, yes - but wait to see plastic/reviews.

As far as the Ar-234 is concerned ... With ZM IM plastic throughout (regardless of which drawings they use for wing/nacelle) I'd say the the answer is pretty much: As Above. Of course the same caveat will determine whether Radu's resin kit remains king of the mountain in the accuracy department. To be honest - and using my criteria for kit selection - the Fly Model kit is a satisfactory representation as it stands ... but I'd love to see what ZM come up with!

 

As far as the last two kits mentioned are concerned ... again, better is a highly subjective term. Personally I'd say that, if you have the cash available, the ZM He.219 is a no-brainer selection over the Revell kit ... it's far more detailed, has a unique build style (as all ZM products do) and is a far more accurate representation than it's Revell counterpart. It's not 100% (as no kit ever is) ... but the overall difference in just about every 'buy-or-burn' selection criteria (excepting price) is fairly substantial in comparison to the difference between the HKM and ZM Do.335 releases. With these two being more or less the same end result accuracy/external detail wise, I'd suggest the decision would ultimately come down to preferred build type (the usual IM kit style vs the unique ZM option) and price (which will depend on where in the world you are and what you can have your product delivered for).

 

Rog :)

 

Why thank you Rog. That reply must have taken an age to write.

 

It would appear clear that I should be looking forward to getting the ZM P-51B in my stash then.

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3 minutes ago, Gloucester Nige said:

 

Why thank you Rog. That reply must have taken an age to write.

 

It would appear clear that I should be looking forward to getting the ZM P-51B in my stash then.

 

No worries Nige ... I know how much you like details :D

 

I'd say you could purchase practically any ZM kit with confidence, really ... but then again, the smaller inaccuracies on any kit never bothered me.

There's no indicated release timeframe for any of these recently announced kits ... so you might be waiting a few years. The Fw.190 kits (complete series) are still in various stages of production and the recently announced to-be-released Ki.45 and Hs.129 came as a total shock! 

 

Rog :)

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