Jeff Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Well, I'm in for at least one. My favourite plane and now I can do one in Robert Hampton Grey's markings. Carl 115 or his REAL 117 ? and with or with out the canopy strengthening strips? Just wondering, and yeah I agree, Carl it would be great to see that one done... he lived here in Nelson, my mom and dad knew him and his brother... Jeff BloorwestSiR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iang Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 115 or his REAL 117 ? and with or with out the canopy strengthening strips? Just wondering, and yeah I agree, Carl it would be great to see that one done... he lived here in Nelson, my mom and dad knew him and his brother... Jeff Although the identity of the Corsair Gray lost his life in is uncertain, it certainly wasn't either 1841 Squadron's X/115 or X/117. The former had landed on USS Shangri-la (CV38), piloted by 1842 Squadron pilot S/Lt Peter, the morning of 9th August and the latter was flown by 1842 Squadron pilot S/Lt Gunnn on a Ramrod strike on 10th August, so could not have been lost on the 9th with Gray. BloorwestSiR and Jeff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 I will have to dig Stew Soward's book out again, and have a look and the ORB for 1841 to see if there is any light to be shed on this, there certainly is a ton of speculation, seems to be a very deep mystery about this subject for sure....I would suspect that anyone who was ' there' is no longer 'here' so a definitive answer may always be 'artistic license"? Either way, a most interesting subject for debate..... I would really be interested to know what the real story is, we can't even dive on the crash site, as I have heard that the a/c has been buried by an under water land slide? so the mystery continues............ Jeff BloorwestSiR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hansen Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Given that the -4 would require significant retooling - not just add-on parts, I wouldn't be holding my breath. We now have three F4U variants, and I have a really hard time seeing Tamiya put any more into the F4U, especially since the -4 didn't see WWII service. Um- actually it did. Check your facts. -d- esarmstrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Martinnfb Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) list of F4U4 loses in the service at the end of the war Date BuNo Squadron Origination Destination Hemisphere Pilot 25-Mar-45 80802 VBF-89 USS Antietam Cent.Lant. Lt. T.F. Godding28-Mar-45 80805 VBF-89 USS Antietam Cent. Lant. Lt.(jg) A.S. Paulson10-Apr-45 80799 VBF-89 USS Antietam Cent. Lant. Ens. David L. Girardet15-Apr-45 80810 VBF-89 USS Antietam Cent.Lant. 17-May-45 80851 VMF-223 Samar P.I. 2nd Lt. Robert Huxham20-May-45 80912 VMF-212 Samar P.I. 30-May-45 80856 SERVRON-14 Samar P.I. 31-May-45 81553 VBF-89 USS Antietam Panama Cent.Lant. Lt.(jg) T.F. Kendrick07-Jun-45 81028 VBF-94 USS Lexington Pearl E.Cen.Pac. Ens. R.S. Isaacs07-Jun-45 81118 VBF-94 USS Lexington Pearl E.Cen.Pac. Lt.Cdr. L.S. Wall, Jr.09-Jun-45 81084 VBF-6 USS Hancock E.Cen.Pac. 09-Jun-45 81346 VBF-2 Pearl E.Cen.Pac. Ens. Donald K. Hobson11-Jun-45 81000 SERVRON-14 Okinawa Empire 11-Jun-45 81173 SERVRON-14 Okinawa Empire 13-Jun-45 80892 SERVRON-14 Okinawa Empire 13-Jun-45 81493 VBF-86 USS Wasp P.I. 14-Jun-45 81121 POOL Pearl E.Cen.Pac. 15-Jun-45 81336 VBF-86 USS Wasp P.I. 16-Jun-45 81217 VBF-94 USS Lexington W.Cen.Pac. Lt.(jg) C.W. Snyder17-Jun-45 81116 VBF-2 Hilo E.Cen.Pac. Ens. Louis J. Smoley17-Jun-45 81210 VBF-2 Hilo E.Cen.Pac. Lt. Richard W. Hellis18-Jun-45 81304 VBF-6 USS Hancock Empire 18-Jun-45 81332 VBF-86 USS Wasp P.I. 20-Jun-45 81209 Pool Pearl E.Cen.Pac. 20-Jun-45 81262 VBF-94 USS Lexington Wake Island W.Cen.Pac. Lt. Nicholas M. Pavonetti21-Jun-45 81052 VMF-222 Okinawa Empire Lt. A.J. Austin21-Jun-45 81066 VMF-212 Okinawa Empire 2nd Lt. Thomas R. McKay25-Jun-45 80862 SERVRON-14 Okinawa Empire 28-Jun-45 80882 SERVRON-14 Okinawa Empire 28-Jun-45 81187 Pool Pearl Pearl E.Cen.Pac. 28-Jun-45 81309 VBF-86 USS Wasp Pearl E.Cen.PaC. 29-Jun-45 80913 VMF-212 Okinawa Empire 2nd Lt. James B. Wortman29-Jun-45 81018 VMF-212 Okinawa Empire 01-Jul-45 81061 VMF-222 Awase Empire 02-Jul-45 81158 VBF-94 USS Lexington Empire Lt.(jg) John F. O'Neil02-Jul-45 81303 VBF-86 USS Wasp Empire 02-Jul-45 81605 VBF-89 Hawaii E.Cen.Pac. Lt.(jg) S.C. Bain04-Jul-45 81529 VBF-150 USS Lake Champlain Culebra Island Cent.Lant. Lt. J.P. Hancock05-Jul-45 81760 VBF-150 USS Lake Champlain Cent.Lant. Lt. J.F. Oliver07-Jul-45 80817 VMF-222 Awase Empire 07-Jul-45 81012 VMF-212 Awase Empire Operational - not enemy action07-Jul-45 81044 VBF-6 USS Hancock Empire Ens. Milton Zehr08-Jul-45 81589 VBF-89 Hawaii E.Cen.Pac. Ens. E.J. Heitinger08-Jul-45 81671 VBF-10 USS Intrepid E.Cen.Pac. 09-Jul-45 81034 ACORN-30 Tacloban P.I. 09-Jul-45 81139 VBF-89 Hawaii E.Cen.Pac. Ens. M.K. Spiess09-Jul-45 81540 VBF-89 Hawaii E.Cen.Pac. Ens. R.L. Hearn, Jr.10-Jul-45 81180 VBF-6 USS Hancock Empire Lt. Harvey G. Odenbrett10-Jul-45 81330 VBF-94 USS Lexington Empire Lt.(jg) Edward Clancy11-Jul-45 81110 VMF-222 Okinawa Empire 2nd Lt. Clark Ketcham11-Jul-45 81684 VBF-10 Hawaii E.Cen.Pac. Ens. L.A. Penick13-Jul-45 81315 VBF-2 Saipan W.Cen.Pac. Ens. Roy K. Sorenson16-Jul-45 80875 VMF-223 Awase Empire Cpt. Donald L. Radway16-Jul-45 80941 VMF-223 Awase Empire 2nd Lt. William V. Everett17-Jul-45 80982 VMF-223 Awase Empire 17-Jul-45 81085 VBF-6 USS Hancock Empire Ens. N.T. Edmondson18-Jul-45 80955 VBF-6 USS Hancock Empire 18-Jul-45 81073 VBF-6 USS Hancock Empire 18-Jul-45 81535 VBF-94 USS Lexington Empire Lt.(jg) Milton L. Adams18-Jul-45 80847 VBF-6 USS Hancock Empire 19-Jul-45 81298 VBF-94 USS Lexington Empire 21-Jul-45 80963 VBF-6 USS Hancock Empire 21-Jul-45 81095 VMF-212 Okinawa Empire 2nd Lt. John F. McGrath22-Jul-45 81501 VBF-86 USS Wasp Empire Lt.(jg) Arthur W. Anderson24-Jul-45 80920 VMF-223 Awase Empire 24-Jul-45 80995 VMF-223 Awase Empire 24-Jul-45 81070 VMF-223 Awase Empire 24-Jul-45 81088 VBF-94 USS Lexington Empire Lt.(jg) Thomas Brett24-Jul-45 81099 VBF-94 USS Lexington Empire Lt. T.A. Sinclair24-Jul-45 81119 VBF-94 USS Lexington Empire Ens. H.F. Donnelley, Jr.24-Jul-45 81179 VBF-6 USS Hancock Empire Ens. C.L. Bausor24-Jul-45 81319 VBF-94 USS Lexington Empire Lt. Ralph E. Boggs24-Jul-45 81371 VMF-212 Awase Empire 24-Jul-45 81185 CVG-2 Saipan W.Cen.Pac. Edited May 14, 2017 by Martinnfb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brad-M Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Maybe we should change the thread title to Corsair ? :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Smitty44 Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 (edited) I think we should change the posting rules to not only ban posts regarding politics, but those in regards to impending Tamiya releases also! Edited May 14, 2017 by Smitty44 Joel_W 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 The logic the Tamiya corperation use isnt quite the same as most people would use ie you and I. If it "was"...we would have also seen the release of..a two seater F-16 which was also clearly laid out and engineered for production. This actually pretty much supports my own position, Darren. To plan for something, then not follow through, is a whole different ballgame than deciding, after the fact, to "plug a gap", by the last minute inclusion of modifications to an existing plan, just to release something, when something else is delayed, a notion I personally see as not too very likely. Darren Howie and Joel_W 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScoobyDoo Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Although the identity of the Corsair Gray lost his life in is uncertain, it certainly wasn't either 1841 Squadron's X/115 or X/117. The former had landed on USS Shangri-la (CV38), piloted by 1842 Squadron pilot S/Lt Peter, the morning of 9th August and the latter was flown by 1842 Squadron pilot S/Lt Gunnn on a Ramrod strike on 10th August, so could not have been lost on the 9th with Gray. Although he did fly 115/X often. As mentioned before, I have seen the log book of another former FAA pilot who had flown 115/X after Gray's death. There was a group that had tried to recover/locate Hampton's Corsair in the 1980's, which was not successful. I have the article at home. Any attempts to locate it now would be impossible, as the tsunami in 2011 wiped out the sea basin in the area he was lost. His memorial was also wiped out, although it has since been rebuilt. He is the only allied military airman/soldier/sailor with such a memorial in Japan. BloorwestSiR, David66 and Jeff 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDSmodeller Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Actually what I was referring to is the colors of the roundel. The camouflage I know about, but the exact "correct" RNZAF WWII era roundel colors are a mystery as far as I know. Just be aware that in the WWII Pacific war, RNZAF Cosairs wore two different coloured Roundels. Those that served as Avanced Training types in New Zealand to train RNZAF Pilots, wore "Identity Blue" (similar colour to Humbrol 25), those stayed in New Zealand - though a couple did find their way to the forward areas. The RNZAF Pacific Roundel which was the darker Blue was worn by Corsairs flying/fighting in the forward areas I'll contact the gents at the RNZAF Museum where they hold all the technical records, and see what info they can provide (could take a few days). Regards Alan Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren Howie Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 I actually think Tamiya and there release selections add a certain spice and uncertainty to our little modelling worlds! We never "really" know what we are going to get and there is never any "certainty" at all. Willl a Bomber Mossie ever be released? I'm not sure anyone here would put there house on it! Nothing is guarranteed with the big T! David66, LSP_K2 and Anthony in NZ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 When did they arrive in the combat zone? Navy flew them for the last 4 months of the war. I think we should change the posting rules to not only ban posts regarding politics, but those in regards to impending Tamiya releases also! Watch iiiit !! Anthony in NZ, Jeff and David66 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted May 14, 2017 Share Posted May 14, 2017 Great discussion this! Does anyone know if the outboard flaps were metal skinned top and bottom? I am guessing they were. Also when did that secondary aerial lead in change to go on the port side (from stbd) behind cockpit and the mount disappear off the rudder top to the tip of the fin? Sorry to ask all these questions, but I have my Corsair book by Dana loaned out.....must get it back asap now! Cheers Anthony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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