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Kitty Hawk 1/32 F-5E/F Tiger II / Special Interest Group (SIG) !

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6 hours ago, ghatherly said:

Started work on intakes today since none are provided in the kit.   30-60 days out if all goes well.   Will start a thread in GT Resin forum when I get some pics to show.

 

GH

 

This is a very good news indeed !

In addition to these internal intakes as a master of 1/32 resin, can you also do a complete set including cockpit, ejection seats options, ADF fin fillet, In flight refueling probe, various antennaes, etc… ?

As a reference, here is below an illustration of AVM Scale Models of Chile resin kit at 1/72 for the F-5E Tigre III of the Fuerze Aerea Del Chile.

Can you do something similar at 1/32 scale for the Kitty Hawk Kit permitting to correctly build 1/32 F-5E for many Air Forces like Brazil, Chile, Morocco, Mexico, Tunisia, Kenya, etc..etc... ?

It would certainly be a world wide best seller for you !

:) 

SharkOwl   

 

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Given all the mods and upgrades, there's enough potential to keep smaller aftermarket companies busy for the next two years. In theory...

 

Whether all of the desired sets/upgrades/corrections would sell well is a different story and will be subject to careful consideration from each manufacturer's individual business perspective. 

 

Harold already did two seats - sort of generic items (F-5E/F, RF-5E) if you leave out more recent KF-5E/F upgrades, Brazilian AF first-batch F-5Es and "Mike" upgrades and IRIAF F-5E/F models. Gary has just announced to tackle "Trunk-gate" - again, generic item that will go with each of the KH F-5E/F, RF-5E boxings. Potentially sure shots, but Gary and Harold have yet to see whether actual sales figures will meet their expectations/projections.

 

 

WARNING: PERSONAL JUDGEMENT:

 

Further potential "low-risk" options solely based on available and future KH kit marking options:

  • ADF fillet - fixing the FAB F-5E and FAM F-5E Kitty Hawk markings, also characteristic for Chilean, Indonesian, Kenyan, Moroccan and Tunisian F-5E/F models.
  • IFR probe - fixing the FAB KH marking option, also characteristic for Moroccan and Tunisian F-5E models.
  • IRQ/BRQ7A seats - fixing the current KH FAB and IRIAF marking options as well as the upcoming IRIAF F-5F markings.
  • F-5N pre- and post-2008 IP layouts - improving/correcting the current KH F-5N marking options, and depending on the timeframe, correcting the ROKAF markings.

The "pre-2008" US NAVY/Marines IP layout is virtually identical with the E1-/E3-coded IPs found in any F-5E aircraft with production RWR installation, e.g. Swiss AF F-5Es.

 

Note: I'm deliberately leaving out the rather "esoteric" and comprehensive FAB F-5EM, FACH Tigre III and RSAF F-5S/T upgrades.

 

 

Upcoming F-5F marking options:

 

We have yet to see productions sprue shots to determine which IP options will be included. Assuming the recently published F-5F marking options are final, you'd need, technically speaking, at least four different front/rear IP layouts, an F-5F IFR probe and two different seat types (Northrop Improved and IRQ7A). By the way, two of the proposed marking options are RSAF F-5T models.

 

Once published, actual sprue shots will tell us if they did their math. I, for one, seriously doubt so...

 

(I think I'll have sauteed Salmon of Doubt for dinner...)

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1 hour ago, SharkOwl said:

Excellent comment Ivan Ivanovich.

May I add that the ''IFR probe'' was also used extensively by F-5E of Singapore And Saudi Arabia.

B)

SharkOwl

 

Dang!

Totally forgot those Saudi F-5Es. Good point on that!  :doh:

 

Singapore F-5Es/IFR probes:

Pre-F-5S upgrade (F-5E) -> IFR probe mostly installed during deployments/ferry flights or during aerial refueling drills. Rarely installed during every-day squadron ops.

Post-F-5S upgrade -> IFR probe permanently installed.

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I am still celebrating the fact that we have at least three (?) 1/32 scale F-5 kits to play with. Take my next remarks in this context.

 

What disappoints me is we are discussing AM for a brand new kit that will correct some fairly glaring issues and things that are left out of the box. By this I mean, cockpit tub depth (glaring is in the eye of the beholder), intake trunking, IFR probe. Exhaust cans could be better and I read above about other changes required, which may or may not be so much of an issue. In addition, some of the marking options are not technically possible with what's included in the kit, if you want a fairly accurate representation.

 

I get that a lot of people will not be bothered by this but c'mon KH (in this instance), you can do better.

 

I am not against AM stuff (I use it quite often), but I would rather use it to replace kit parts with better looking options rather than have to buy stuff to compensate for things that are missing from the kit box.

 

I agree with the sentiment "if you don't like it, don't buy it". At the moment, I ain't buying it.

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Guest Maxim

I think we'll see some stuff from Wolfpack Resin in time. Aires of course will do a cockpit if you can get it to fit that is, and Eduard the normal stuff.

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Let's wait and see what happens.

 

The F-5E kit is still fairly warm, an F boxing is just around the corner, and the Tigereye has just started making tracks. Quite naturally, "the aftermarket" takes some time to gather its speed. Given the Tiger II's popularity and the sheer plenitude of options, I'd be extremely surprised if "the usual suspects" didn't jump on the F-5E/F bandwagon. Sooner or later.

 

"The two most powerful warriors are patience and time."

(Лев Никола́евич Толсто́й/Leo Tolstoy)

 

 

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18 hours ago, Ivan Ivanovich said:

F-5N pre- and post-2008 IP layouts - improving/correcting the current KH F-5N marking options, and depending on the timeframe, correcting the ROKAF markings.

The "pre-2008" US NAVY/Marines IP layout is virtually identical with the E1-/E3-coded IPs found in any F-5E aircraft with production RWR installation, e.g. Swiss AF F-5Es.

 

for me the IP is the only thing that stopped my build progress . once a new one is available i can finally restart the engine . i have no need for the intakes or exhaust since i will cover them with evergreen and lead foil .

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10 hours ago, DonH said:

I am still celebrating the fact that we have at least three (?) 1/32 scale F-5 kits to play with. Take my next remarks in this context.

 

What disappoints me is we are discussing AM for a brand new kit that will correct some fairly glaring issues and things that are left out of the box. By this I mean, cockpit tub depth (glaring is in the eye of the beholder), intake trunking, IFR probe. Exhaust cans could be better and I read above about other changes required, which may or may not be so much of an issue. In addition, some of the marking options are not technically possible with what's included in the kit, if you want a fairly accurate representation.

 

I get that a lot of people will not be bothered by this but c'mon KH (in this instance), you can do better.

 

I am not against AM stuff (I use it quite often), but I would rather use it to replace kit parts with better looking options rather than have to buy stuff to compensate for things that are missing from the kit box.

 

I agree with the sentiment "if you don't like it, don't buy it". At the moment, I ain't buying it.

 

I totally agree with your assessment Don, but the reality of it for me is that I want to build 32nd scale F-5E/Fs, and a bunch of them at that. The chances of another manufacturer releasing a better kit within the next 30 years is ZERO. Hell, it took someone this long to top the old Hasegawa kit, and in 72nd scale, there still isn't even a decent kit to work with 40 years after the F-5E first flew. The F-5E/F just doesn't get much love. If the Japanese or Germans flew it in WWII, or it were a "Teen" fighter,  there would be fifty kits of it available, but not so.

 

KH's kit is definitely a bit lackluster, and half assed in some area's, but at least they did a good job with the overall shape. With a little aftermarket help, I can live with the rest. I understand that this will turn some folks off. Me, I'm just happy to not have to rescribe another Hasegawa F-5E, and to FINALLY have a big scale F :bow: FWIW, Fred K.

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Totally agree with your comments Fred. I never thought we'd see an F-5F in 32 scale.

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