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  1. Hi guys


    Well this will definitely be the last post before I return to the UK for a month or so....I will be returning back in September to continue with this project!


    What I wanted to do was get as much done as possible with the tail /rudder and dorsal fin before my break and so first off I sprayed the tail unit yellow. This was more difficult than I thought as my airbrush decided to give up the ghost!...when I turned the outlet valve on the compressor to send the air flow to the brush the blasted thing kept spraying and I couldn't stop it! the only way was to turn the outlet **** off to stop spraying! I have had the air brush for many years so I am not surprised to be honest. I think the air in let valve is knackered...thought it might be blocked with dried paint but that isn't the case.Any way I will buy a replacement when I'm in the UK.

    So I manged to cope with the yellow paint being half sprayed on the model and half all over the place!.....here is the tail unit now sprayed!












    Now came the tricky bit!.....no decals in 1:20 scale so I had to make them all. The base colour of black/white was sprayed in the appropriate place and then I made the markings by cutting out the numbers/letters from some sticky back Teflon....you can see I am in the process of doing this in this next photo........




    Once the paint had dried I took off all the masking and here is the end result......




    There are two greenish stripes that also have to be sprayed on the tail but need to have the two half's completed and skinned before I can do that.


    So the tail is now virtually complete (a few more minor details to add later). Of course there is all the interior parts to be scratched yet ,which is what I will look forward to do in September!


    I needed to take a look at the whole thing to see how she was looking so far!....by doing this you can also see if there are any headaches to sort out down the road. So to that end I got the completed front section out of it's box and temporarily attached it to the rear section and took a few photos.....what do you think so far?....












    Its huge!...the model that is!...like a meter in length....don't quote me on that....but it's ...HUGE!!


    OK....So I will continue with this beast in September and so until then happy modelling and stay safe guys!





  2. Morning fellow modelers!


    I have been doing  the laborious task of making up the entire interior with all the ribs etc!....this was only achievable by listening to all my favorite bands on my player ...taking the occasional paracetamol when my head started to ache from staring at hundreds of little pieces of plastic!!....and having the time on my hands to get through it!!..........still needs must and all that!


    I'm so pleased that this phase is over because from now on the build becomes more interesting ....and hopefully for you guys as well!.......so here are the photos of all my effort!


    First I glued strips of plastic onto the yogurt pot walls representing the vertical ribs ...and then  I had to cut hundreds of pieces of plastic representing the horizontal ribs.... so that I could glue them between the vertical ribs .....this sounds as boring as it was!




    So here we go then!.............








    .....a week later it was time to spray the base interior green!














    I decided to prepare the balsa wood fuselage for skinning with the aluminum sheets ,which I will do at a later stage...(it also strengthens the fuselage)......so to that end I covered the fuselage with tissue glued on with PVC glue and then brushed on shrinking dope. Now its as tough as old boots and I am as high as a kite!:wacko:






    This afternoon I will have a go at preparing the riveting on the dorsal fin and then maybe spray it tomorrow!


    Probably one more post to go for a while as I'm off to see my wife in UK....due to this Pandemic I have been stuck here in Bulgaria and haven't seen her since last March!


    See you on the next post!







    On 5/31/2020 at 1:11 PM, dodgem37 said:




    I worry these pins won't be strong enough at their point of moment.





    Hi Mark.....no worries mate as the tail unit will also be glued in 2 other places....on the join and on top of the turret housing.....it won't be going anywhere!


    Hi guys


    I have just about managed to finish the basic construction of the rear fuselage and tail section with just a few details to add at a later stage. So after this post I can get on with working on all the internal detail!


    So first up I had to think about how I was going to go about making the structure of the Cheyenne rear turret. After measuring up for scale from photos I got a sheet of plastic card and put together the frame work. I won't be glazing the turret or fixing it in place until all the internal detail in the turret is complete...this is because I will never get my fingers in there to do anything!.....so here is the Cheyenne turret frame work.....




    After fixing some sort of band of plastic around the aperture so that the frame would have something to adhere to I placed the turret in position to see what it looked like......I am happy with the out come as I thought it would give me no end of problems considering I had no scale plans to go by.

    Here it is in place.....








    So it was back to the tail section. I decided to skin this section now in preparation of spraying. Most of this B17G Fuddy Duddy I am depicting is bare metal except for the tail section where there is a splash of yellow.

    So first up was to mark the rivet lines with pen....




    The material I am using to skin the tail is quite simply sticky back silver paper which is thinner than the aluminum skin I will and have been using for the bare metal sections.You can see in this next photo that after I traced a template  the rivets were punched by my handy rivet maker tool (a safety pin inserted into a piece of plastic sprue!....no expense spared!) and its ready to be glued to the tail section....




    ...and here is the tail unit skinned.....




    The next job was to sand down all the formers making way for all the internal detail that I will be starting on soon....this was done on both top and bottom of the fuselage half's




    Using some of my collection of yogurt pot plastic tubs cut to shape!.. I started on covering the internal floors and side walls...




    The last 3 photos are of some of the detail to the rudder... eg...the trim tab rod connection and the rudder connection fittings to the tail section...








    That's it for now guys.


    Next up is making the ribs for the floors and side walls on the lower half of the fuselage and possibly spraying the tail unit....so until then stay safe!





  4. Hi everyone


    I'm still battling away with the construction of the tail section of this B17G..... long old slow process but I have made some good progress!


    I was about half way through constructing the tail out of balsa wood in my last post ....so here are some photos of where I am at the moment.


    Here you can see that I have filled with scrap balsa in between the longerons on the section I built in the last post...








    The next 3 photos show that I have built the rudder and temporarily attached it the the tail assembly......








    After giving it some thought I decided that the rudder would eventually look better if I skinned it with tissue. So after sanding down the rudder as smooth as I could get it , I applied the tissue with a couple of coats of shrinking dope....time to get as high as a coot!!... The trim tab I left as solid balsa wood.....




    The fun really started then as whilst looking at the scale plans I am using I realized that the tail gun position was of the old "stinger" configuration!...as shown in this next photo....




    I needed the up dated Cheyenne turret...as in this next photo.....




    Well this caused me all sorts of worries as I would have to some how build the Cheyenne turret with out any scaled plans. I down loaded and printed off a drawing of the turret using Foxit reader and tried to get it to the same scale as my existing plans...I got it as close as I could but it was really just a guide of sorts!  I then basically had to take a look at photos and transfer what I saw into some sort of balsa construction! So it was a bit of a challenge to say the least!

    So first up .....I placed the built fuselage onto the drawings and literally drew in the shape that I needed to get the width of the turret ...trying to remember that the drawings were slightly out of scale and then looked at photos of the side of the turret to get as close as I could the height and shape dimensions!....crazy way of doing it but this was all I could do.


    Here is that process on the go......




    I then filled in between the stringers with balsa and literally whittled the shape of the turret!...getting the aperture shape for the ball was a nightmare but managed to do it in the end...




    To make the ball that fits into the hole....for want of a better description!!....I thought best to make a plug in the correct shape out of balsa and do a plug and mold procedure!




    I placed the mold into the hole!....to check out what it looked like....I thought ...so far so good!




    I got the mold ready to push onto the frame where I attached a piece of food packaging plastic ready to be heated...




    ...and fired up my old Bulgarian grill machine!...perfect for the job!




    Placed the prepared frame under the grill.....waited for the melt!....and boom!....managed to get it right first time...something that doesn't always happen for me!




    After cutting out the slots for the machine gun barrels, I cut the mold out and super glued it to the turret....






    ....and finally here it is attached to the fuselage with pegs!!










    The fun and games doesn't stop there for this Cheyenne turret as I have to somehow get

    the perspex enclosure built....again this will be done by staring at photos all day!!


    Thanks as always for taking a look guys and see you next time round!





  5. Hi there everyone


    I hope everyone is safe and healthy and coping with this lock down business!


    Time for an update!


    So I have made some progress on the tail unit but before showing you the photos I thought I would share the other problem that I have with this project!....always problems! ....serves me right for starting this journey!

    If you didn't know ...I live in S.E Bulgaria and I will eventually need to transport this finished B17 across to UK first and then eventually ship it across to California in the States where I am pleased to say that I have had interest from the The Miniature Engineering Craftsmanship Museum in Carlsbad (not far from L.A) and have decided to donate it to them. This in turn will of course cause a few headaches!

    This is a very large and extremely delicate B17G I am building and it will need careful consideration on how to ship it.I used to do commissions for people and have shipped models to Europe by shipping companies...I would pack the model and hand it over to them and they would  charge the earth with no guarantees that it would arrive safely!.... So this time I am going to try another way of shipping. I am going to try and put it on a flight with me and because it is too big to go as hand luggage , I had to think of it going in the hold in a large suitcase!....which then set the alarm bells going off as I imagined the baggage handlers tossing the case all over the shop!.....and so I did an experiment.

    I took the front section which as you know is complete and measured the length and height and chose a large enough suit case to use. I then built a MDF box and suspended the model in the box using polystyrene ...screwed the lid on and placed the box inside the suitcase. I then took it out in my garden and threw the case all over the lawn....kicked it and dropped it from a height as if I was a baggage handler!   .............let me tell you that after 7 years of building the front section it was a very difficult thing to do!

    I eventually opened the box ( with a hang mans noose at the ready ) to see what damaged was caused!........absolutely no damage at all!....phew! what a relief! ......I will be trying that experiment again at a later date ...this time being even more brutal!

    Here is the box with the front section packed in....with the lid off of course.......






    If the model arrives safely in the UK then I will be happy for the next trip to USA a little later!


    So on with the progress I have made with the tail section.....here is part of the tail.....










    ....and the next part added up to the rudder position....




    So this tail section will have to be designed so that it can be taken on and off as it will be far too big to fit into the built box for the suitcase.....so to that end here is a photo of the location holes I have designed for some pegs that will slot into them to hold the tail in place......




    ...and here are the pegs on the tail unit that will slot in.....




    and here I am slotting the unit in place.






    Once again I have joined the two halves together to see if all looks ok........










    I have to say that I am finding this tail unit very challenging and it's coming together at a snails pace!


    Next up will be the Rudder construction.... so until then ..look after yourselves and happy modelling!





  6. Hi guys


    Firstly I want to say that I hope everyone is staying safe out there whilst living in these difficult times.

    I have been away for a while as I have been building the smaller stuff!....but I'm back with the big boys now!!;)


    Well it is time to get down and finally attempt to finish this Mammoth B17G project. Some of you may know that I started this 7 years ago with a few breaks in between sections to build other stuff.

    As a recap :  I was originally going to just scratch build the nose section but kind of got hood winked in carrying on down the length of the fuselage! .....so I then built the Bomb bay....followed by the radio room and ball turret section and now it is time to finish this off with the tail section. Just to let you all know that I will not be building the wings and the 4 engines that go with it!;)


    I got together some old post photos from the start of this project and thought I would show you of how I got to this point today!


    This first photo shows the completed fuselage up to the ball turret position.....




    Here is a shot of the cockpit.......




    ...and the bomb bay looking from the radio room through to the cockpit....




    Here is the radio operators table in the radio room.....




    ...and finally the ball turret in place on the hanging harness.....




    So my aim has always been through out this project to display as much of the internal detail as possible as I have always been fascinated with the Flying Fortress!.....so to that end I have tried to construct the whole fuselage with the top removed. This over the years has given me many headaches and will continue to I'm sure ... because I didn't want to take away the shape of the B17!... For example my next problem will be how to display the detail with that ruddy great dorsal Fin attached?......well I have an idea which I will show you as we get on with the build.

    The other problem I have is how to ship it back to the UK from here?....I have made a bespoke box out of MDF but I am getting ahead of my self!....lets put that to one side at the moment and get this last section underway!


    So here we go then..the first of many photos and posts that I will have to make!!


    I am going to make the fuselage out of balsa wood as I did with the the front sections....so after digging out the scale plans that I scaled up to 1:20 I cut out all the formers I would need.




    The bottom half was built up first ...then the top half .....here they are temporarily joined.






    A few years ago I started strengthening the fuselage by filling in between the stringers with scrap pieces of Balsa wood. All you have to do then is sand down carefully to the formers and stringers to get the ...hopefully.... correct shape. Here is the bottom half.....




    Here is the top half just  placed in position.....




    So here the scrap balsa was filled in the gaps and sanded. You can see that I have left an area open at the top so you will be able to see down into the detail......






    Now I turned my attention to the dorsal fin which runs along the top of the fuselage which eventually turns into the tail fin.At this stage I am only building so far back and will complete it by somehow attaching the tail fin at a later stage...there is method in my madness as you will see later!




    Once I had filled the gaps with balsa ,I glued the dorsal fin on top of the fuselage and as you can see there is still enough open space to eventually look at all the detail.




    I thought I would clamp the front section onto this to see what it might look like......JEEZ!.....It's about 3 feet 5 inches long!! 










    Well that's as far as I have got with this so far!


    I do hope some of you will come along with me for the ride on this final stage of this project...would appreciate the support!


    Until the next post.....thanks for looking in and stay safe guys!




  7. Hi there guys!


    All done!........well not actually the whole B17 but I have finished the Radio room section and all 3 sections have now been attached. Getting the nose/cockpit section to line up with the bomb bay was a real nightmare but managed it in the end!


    ....and it's BIG!!......well it would be at 1:20 scale!.....in fact so far it is just over 2 feet and 2 inches long (66cm).....and of course I haven't started on the rear section yet!


    When all 3 sections were secured together I had to touch up the joints the best I could because originally this project was going to be built in separate sections but realized ...too late to be honest....that it would look so much better if it was one complete fuselage. This in turn caused me no end of problems lining everything up and trying to lose at least 1.7 cm in the length. In fact in the end it will be about 5mm too long but I can live with that!

    When I start with the rear section I will build it as just one section right back to the rear gunner position this will just give me the one join onto the radio room!

    I managed to modify the display stands I originally built for each section and have made 2 stands which can take the weight of the model so far!


    I am going to have a rest from this build now and come back to start on the rear section in a few months time.


    So here are photographs of just over half the fuselage of "Fuddy Duddy" .........unfortunately taking photos of her being so big half of my house and garden get in on the act!....really difficult!!!!....WARNING! PHOTO HEAVY!




































    I have temporally attached the bomb bay doors on to see the effect....these will be attached permanently when the whole B17 is finished!....here are a few shots......








    So there you have it guys!


    As I said I need a break from this now but of course not a break from Scratch building!.....I want to maybe have a go at scratch building a jet....something I haven't done before but would like to have a crack and see if I can do it!....I really like the late 40s/50s jet era and have been looking at the the Lockheed P.80 Shooting Star....I have always liked the look of that aircraft....so maybe I will give it a go!


    Last thing before I depart......can one of you guys tell me how you change the title of the Thread....eg...I want to continue this thread when I build the last section without having to start a new thread if you know what I mean....I have seen it done on other threads but can't work it out!


    Cheers for looking in and I will be back to finish this beast off...and in the mean time I will post a few pics of the Shooting Star (If I actually do it!!) on another thread


    All the best guys



  8. Hello there guys!


    I have managed to move on from the shock of re adjusting the sections to fit one and other and onto the wing fillets!....a bit fiddly but got there in the end!

    This is how I achieved it..................


    The first job was to cut to shape a piece of yogurt pot plastic (to save using expensive plastic card)....and glue it on the bottom of the fuselage to make up the bottom section of the fillet and then to place a few ribs on the plate to secure it....




    All the wiring and pipes etc were then placed in position.......the cover plate I previously made on the last post is in the foreground of the photo......




    The same was then done on the starboard side.......






    The front plate which was cut from plastic card... was then glued into place after first painting all the detail previously scratched....here are a few photos.......










    The next task was the hardest part and that was to cut another piece of yogurt pot plastic to the shape of the top part of the fillet and glue it in position....here is the finished construction......














    So all I had to do now was to paint the face plate and I attached some aluminum tape to the top of the fillet to see what it looked like.


    Here then are the wing fillets around the Radio room section complete.........














    So I am now going to do the hopefully last part of this Radio room section and that is to place the Aluminum tape over the fuselage....


    So until then.....thanks guys for taking a look!





  9. Hi there


    A few weeks have passed and I am a tiny bit forward with this build than I was in the last post!...and I want to tell you where I am at with this!

    For a long long time now I have been fretting over how I will display this B17G when it is all done!....I felt I just had to  make a decision before I continued on what was to be done.

    Originally it was going to be so simple as I was only planning to build the nose section and just put it on some sort of stand!....but of course with a little encouragement from some of my fellow modellers on this forum!!... I decided to continue with the rest of the fuselage....I mean... I really enjoyed building the nose section...lets do the rest of it!

    So I then separately built the bomb bay and the the radio room (as some of you who are following this are aware) and started to build stands for them to sit on. I put the nose section/bomb bay and the radio room next to each other and it just didn't look right!....not only that , it was almost impossible to try and build a stand for the radio room section because of the ball turret hanging below!....the stand would have got in the way of the turret!

    There was only one solution to the whole mess and that was to permanently attach all sections together making one complete fuselage ...as it would be on the real thing......that's when the real problems started!:angry2:

    Now ...because I built each section separately and now have decided to join them all together I realized that the length of the fuselage will be too long by at least 1.5cm...maybe 2 cm...this is because I built each section from one bulk head to the next (for example bomb bay was built from Bulk head no's 6-8 ....and then the radio room was built from bulk heads nos 8-10.....each bulk head is about 5 mm ....so when you put the bomb bay section to the radio room you have gained 5mm!)....and so on adding to the length of the damn thing!!.....I hope you understand my ramblings!!!

    I had to lose those millimeters!...and so you can imagine what I had to do!.........




    By shortening each section by 5mm it of course put some of the detail out of scale!.....aaaaagggghhhh!...utter nightmare!....not only that ....getting the sections to line up perfectly was very difficult to say the least.


    I have to say I spoke to my wife and said that the whole project after 6 odd years was going to have to be stopped!....she told me not to be so stupid!.....again!.....and get it sorted!


    .....and so I persevered and after hours of re constructing ...scrapping a lot of the detail already done....de scaling this and that.... I finally joined the bomb bay with the radio room. The photos you will see show you that I have a load of tidying up to do but this will be no problem for me later on...I hope!


    Here we go...................










    Now I can get on with the wing root detail ........here is as far as I have got so far!......








    Yesterday I made these two plates that will eventually be attached to the wing root...




    Just to let you know that I have also re constructed the nose section to make sure that it will fit onto the forward bulk head of the bomb bay......and if I thought the R. room and B.bay was a difficult task...then this was just................don't want to think about it!!


    The joys of scratch building!


    See you on the next post



  10. 3 hours ago, CANicoll said:

    Somehow I missed that this aircraft you are building is from the 447th BG out of Rattlesden.  A close friend of mine was a pilot with the 447th (The Blue Hen Chick of my avatar) and I have a lot of his materials, including copy of his mission log , the group's published history book, and a post-war 447th BG calendar from the 447th BG association.  Let me know if you need anything.


    Hey Chris...I certainly will let you know if I need any information etc.....thank you very much!


    Just to let you know that my B17G was featured as a small back page article in the 447th BG Newsletter by Steve Heeb (Ol'scrapiron)





  11. On 7/17/2019 at 6:56 PM, CANicoll said:


    Bring what you have and put it on the LSP table for everyone to gawk at.  Give 'em (and us!) a preview for next year!


    I would if I could CANicoll ....but the logistics of getting her to UK from Bulgaria for the show and then back again to finish it  would be a nightmare!.....but rest assured when she's done I will attempt to get her across to Telford!;)


    On 7/17/2019 at 8:56 PM, rigor said:

    One more section to go ??? 


    Yes Rigor....so far I have done the nose section ...the bomb bay and now finishing off the radio room which just leaves the tail section to go !....then of course I have to join it all together!


    11 hours ago, Ol' Scrapiron said:

    I love this build and its 447th BG subject, and am always amazed with your progress each time I see updates.


    I have a suggestion that will make your task fabricating rounds so much simpler. Instead of cutting the wire to length and then laboriously attaching them side by side, use much longer pieces of wire (4+ times longer than you need) and then after they are glued side-to-side trim them to length and get 4 strips of bullets for essentially the effort of one.


    I do that with stretched spue or wire to make my ammo belts. Can easily make 10 oversized pieces multiply out to 60 or 70 "bullets" depending on how long the pieces are when I start. Also, because I know I will be trimming I don't bother with exact lengths or getting them squared up at the ends before I glue them together.


    Keep up the good work ... great work... outstanding work!!!


    Well Ol' Scrapiron....why the hell didn't I think of that obvious solution to rounds!....how simple and how stupid I am to not think of it!......Thank you very very much for the heads up!:o

  12. Afternoon guys!


    This post will finish up all the interior detail I needed to do before closing both top and bottom halves of the fuselage and then I can proceed to finish off the detail on the exterior of the fuselage.


    So what needed to be done was the ammunition belts from the emergency ammunition cans and the oxygen bottle for the gunner.

    I'll start with the ammunition belts.....By using just paper and wire I'd thought I would show you how I went about this task ..photo by photo...


    1. The first task was to cut 4 pieces of paper to the length/width of the belts....I used paper as it will bend like a real ammo belt...




    2. As you can see I then cut all 4 pieces..(you will see in the next few photos why I did this!)...




    3. I then got some garden metal wire twine (I chose this as it looked the right scale for the rounds)...




    4. This then had to be straightened using a flat piece of metal rolled across the top of a length of wire......






    5. After measuring the width of the pieces of paper I then had to cut... (loads!!).... of pieces of wire which would replicate the rounds,....laborious task!...although I don't actually mind doing it!!




    6. These were the super glued onto 2 of the 4 strips of paper....




    7. Then the other strips of paper were glued over the top of the rounds  This is the time that I bent the paper to the shape I needed....




    8. A couple strips of paper were cut and glued to both sides of the belts to make them look more authentic and I then painted them.....




    So now all I had to do was super glue one end of the belts to the ammo cans and hook up the other ends on a couple of posts....(the reason for this is that because I have exposed the top of the ball turret I couldn't glue them to the entry point of the turret!)...here are a few photos of the task complete......








    The last task to do before closing the two halves was to scratch the oxygen tank for the gunner.

    I have so far made loads of oxygen tanks for this project so I just made them the same way as before....and that is a sanded down piece of balsa wood with plastic strips glued to them!......here it is....




    I then glued the tank onto the post and made a couple of paper straps ....to replicate the securing straps!


    So here is the finished Ball turret connection structure......
















    So now its at long last time to place the top to the bottom!!..ha ha!




    I am now getting close to the end of the Radio room section of this B17G....the external detail will now have to be thought about before proceeding......so I'll see you all the next time around!


    Thanks again for looking in



  13. 7 hours ago, Juggernut said:

    Nicely detailed efforts.  I'd like to point out , just as an FYI, that combat B-17's did not have ball turrets with external ammo cans.  If you're replicating a war bird , that's a different story.  Doesn't detract from your efforts one bit, just a little FYI in case you're interested. 


    I also realize it's too late to change but production 17G's, with the exception of Douglas built ships (I just discovered) weren't painted interior green (and in those Douglas ships only the waist area appears to have been painted interior green).  


    Again, not any ding on the build, on the contrary, its inspirational.  I'd never be able to pull off what you've done.  Just a little FYI in case you'd ever do this again on a kit. Also, if your attempt is to replicate a war bird then you're perfectly correct to paint the insides interior green.


    Hi Juggernut

    Thanks for your input on my build and I understand everything you have pointed out.

    I have been building this model now for at least 6 years and have studied reams of information and seen thousands of photos of the B17 so I know exactly what your saying and where you're coming from.

    With the variants  of the B17 and the different manufacturers one could quite easily get wrapped up in "what is right and what is wrong"....yes  "some" of the interiors were not painted interior green....some were ...for me it was always going to be a nightmare to get it all right from the offset .

    So I decided 6 years ago to make this build my own interpretation of the B17G .I do realize that it is not 100% accurate  but just hope that it is pleasing to the on lookers eye...... 

    BTW ..this interpretation of the B17G is loosely attached to the "Warbird " variety...and I just had to put those emergency ammunition cans in!......



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