Anthony in NZ Posted March 16, 2023 Author Share Posted March 16, 2023 On 3/12/2023 at 3:49 AM, scvrobeson said: I'm almost convinced that your next post will be installing scale screws into each of those holes, just for complete authenticity. I'm getting there...... I keep losing my little tap's and die's! On 3/12/2023 at 10:58 AM, Derek B said: You're not wrong! Exquisit work on those panels Anthony, well done. Derek Thanks Derek! I'm hoping it wont look too 'pin cushion'looking after several layers of paint On 3/14/2023 at 1:52 AM, amurray said: Greg, My go to correction is as you said - CA and re-scribe. The key is to let the CA cure for at least 2 days until it's as hard as a rock before re-scribing BUT having said that one has to regain the original surface within an hour of placing the CA. So: CA to fill the erroneous lines; wait an hour to sand smooth to the desired contour; wait two days to re-scribe. Yup....wot he said! 1 hour ago, KiwiZac said: This is all well and good but I prefer the FGR.2... Right you......go to the naughty corner! Pfffft.....FGR.2 Tsk Moderators??? Where are you? Ban him for such heresy LOL I do too Zac, still looking forward to seeing you again at Classic Fightes Airshow at Easter...it's just you owe me a beer now LOL Cheers guys Anthony Derek B and KiwiZac 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiZac Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Anthony in NZ said: still looking forward to seeing you again at Classic Fightes Airshow at Easter...it's just you owe me a beer now LOL That can and will be arranged, my friend Anthony in NZ and Derek B 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybach_man Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 11 hours ago, KiwiZac said: This is all well and good but I prefer the FGR.2... Especially with red noses.... Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amurray Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 11 hours ago, Maybach_man said: Especially with red noses.... Blasphemers! BALSPHEMERS! Anthony will lay a curse on you and your progeny! KiwiZac, Derek B and Anthony in NZ 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiZac Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 The red nose reference is lost on me so hopefully I'm safe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maybach_man Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 On 3/17/2023 at 7:36 PM, KiwiZac said: The red nose reference is lost on me so hopefully I'm safe! WE have a charity event every year in the UK called 'Red Nose Day'... One squadron in Germany, one year, painted 5 FGR2's noses red unknowing of the co..and then taxied past a briefing he was doing..apparently Anthony in NZ and jenshb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiZac Posted March 25, 2023 Share Posted March 25, 2023 We occasionally do RND here but I don't believe any of the fighter jocks got into it like that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted April 3, 2023 Author Share Posted April 3, 2023 So not a lot to report these past few weeks with my Phantom. Have had a lot of family issues that needed taking priority but amongst all the craziness I managed some bench time in. Most of the work has focused on the outer wing panels. These are an interesting history in themselves from what I have studied. They went through several mod states and there even seems to be differing versions of versions right at the end of their life. I believe some new manufactured (or remanufactured) ones were made as well to confuse the situation further. Anyway with the help of our resident Phantom experts @Gene K we got together and between us figured out the essential differences and the most common version seen late on their service lives. Essentially this is how they pretty much ended up Photo courtesy @Iain So Gene did various drawings and after several attempts (one going missing in the post) he came up with a series of plates that fit the Tamiya wing and replicate the final evolution of the outer wing mod. Thank you sir! You are a legend and I super appreciate your help and efforts gone into this and the belly straps for accuracy! I have still a way to go but I have almost finished correcting and adding the panel/rivet lines and the first plate laid and glued on. Anyway layer one on. I will get the other side glued on and get them both to the same point before I go any further. In the meantime I have pretty much finished the upper wings, correcting and riveting.... Little bit of fine tuning and a bit more thinning of those top reinforcement plates...but getting there. Cheers guys Anthony Marcel111, Michael931080, geedubelyer and 18 others 20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 (edited) On 4/3/2023 at 9:59 AM, Anthony in NZ said: So not a lot to report these past few weeks with my Phantom. Have had a lot of family issues that needed taking priority but amongst all the craziness I managed some bench time in. Most of the work has focused on the outer wing panels. These are an interesting history in themselves from what I have studied. They went through several mod states and there even seems to be differing versions of versions right at the end of their life. I believe some new manufactured (or remanufactured) ones were made as well to confuse the situation further. Anyway with the help of our resident Phantom experts @Gene K we got together and between us figured out the essential differences and the most common version seen late on their service lives. Essentially this is how they pretty much ended up Photo courtesy @Iain So Gene did various drawings and after several attempts (one going missing in the post) he came up with a series of plates that fit the Tamiya wing and replicate the final evolution of the outer wing mod. Thank you sir! You are a legend and I super appreciate your help and efforts gone into this and the belly straps for accuracy! I have still a way to go but I have almost finished correcting and adding the panel/rivet lines and the first plate laid and glued on. Anyway layer one on. I will get the other side glued on and get them both to the same point before I go any further. In the meantime I have pretty much finished the upper wings, correcting and riveting.... Little bit of fine tuning and a bit more thinning of those top reinforcement plates...but getting there. Cheers guys Anthony Fantastic research work between you and Gene, well done! (your outer wing panel upper surface looks utterly convincing). On my final days of Phantom at British Aerospace (BAe, now BAE Systems), at the end of the 80's and early 90's, most of the remaining RAF Phantoms had, or were, undergoing a Return To Works (RTW) 100 FI life enhancement programme, which essentially centred around various centre wing strengthening mods (including the famous strengthening strap). I think that this provided about an additional 75 FI to the total life of the aircraft. The remaining 25 FI was accounted for by the manufacture of new outer wings at BAe Brough (the original Design Authority (DA) for British Phantoms was Short Aircraft Co, but this was transferred to BAe Brough during the 1970's). Derek Edited April 4, 2023 by Derek B Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacus2000 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Antony after 103 pages of religious silence and 3 years following this wip I just have to say EXCEPTIONAL. Not only for the resistance and dedication to a model, I shouldn't have all this patience, think that for my R2800 it took me almost 3 years but in the meantime I built at least twenty planes in 48 working on the engine only in winter. Both you and Jay have been working steadily on your project with fantastic results. I continue to follow you with great interest, the English Phantoms, although not as colorful as the American ones, have always fascinated me, they are so......British Anthony in NZ and Derek B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo59 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Your always finding details I had not noticed before. Now I want to try replicating it. Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiZac Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I've been AWOL thanks to getting COVID (first time for everything, yaaay) so I'm sorry to hear about your troubles Ant - I hope all's well and I get to buy you a beer over the weekend. Anthony in NZ and Derek B 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
periklis_sale Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Wow!!! How do you do the riveting? Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen_R90S Posted April 5, 2023 Share Posted April 5, 2023 Hope you and/or the familiy is OK -but the time you did spend modelling produced some great looking results! Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted April 14, 2023 Author Share Posted April 14, 2023 On 4/3/2023 at 2:20 PM, Derek B said: Fantastic research work between you and Gene, well done! (your outer wing panel upper surface looks utterly convincing). On my final days of Phantom at British Aerospace (BAe, now BAE Systems), at the end of the 80's and early 90's, most of the remaining RAF Phantoms had, or were, undergoing a Return To Works (RTW) 100 FI life enhancement programme, which essentially centred around various centre wing strengthening mods (including the famous strengthening strap). I think that this provided about an additional 75 FI to the total life of the aircraft. The remaining 25 FI was accounted for by the manufacture of new outer wings at BAe Brough (the original Design Authority (DA) for British Phantoms was Short Aircraft Co, but this was transferred to BAe Brough during the 1970's). Derek Thanks Derek, its always nice to hear a more technical explanation to these mods Yup, @Gene K did us proud! On 4/3/2023 at 8:54 PM, spartacus2000 said: Antony after 103 pages of religious silence and 3 years following this wip I just have to say EXCEPTIONAL. Not only for the resistance and dedication to a model, I shouldn't have all this patience, think that for my R2800 it took me almost 3 years but in the meantime I built at least twenty planes in 48 working on the engine only in winter. Both you and Jay have been working steadily on your project with fantastic results. I continue to follow you with great interest, the English Phantoms, although not as colorful as the American ones, have always fascinated me, they are so......British Awwwww thank you! You are too kind. I think it is an illness LOL. Nice to know you have been following along, a man of your calibre....thank you! On 4/4/2023 at 1:41 AM, jimbo59 said: Your always finding details I had not noticed before. Now I want to try replicating it. Hahah sorry mate! I'm not trying to find them....cos all it dos slow me down! On 4/4/2023 at 3:29 AM, KiwiZac said: I've been AWOL thanks to getting COVID (first time for everything, yaaay) so I'm sorry to hear about your troubles Ant - I hope all's well and I get to buy you a beer over the weekend. Great to catch up last weekend at the airshow mate! Thoroughly enjoyed catching up with you...we needed more time though. On 4/5/2023 at 8:32 AM, periklis_sale said: Wow!!! How do you do the riveting? Thanks! I use a ''Rosie the riveter'' tool. There are various ones on the market, but essentially like a cog on the end of a stick. I have varying ones for different spacing. Then I go back over with a compass point to make the square indentation into a round dot. Sometimes I also use a 0.2, 0.3 0.4mm etc carbide drill (I buy cheap from China as they break easily when they are as thin as a hair) for various fasteners or rivets so they will accept a wash where I want later on. On 4/5/2023 at 10:41 AM, jeroen_R90S said: Hope you and/or the familiy is OK -but the time you did spend modelling produced some great looking results! Awww thanks buddy, Family is struggling with dealing with my 19yo sons cancer. The Chemo is brutal and it is hard to watch. I have recently realised that going back to my Phantom model has been a nice distraction and put me in my happy place for short periods of time....quite nice actually this hobby for those reasons. So as many of you now realize my wife and I are dealing with our 19 year old son having cancer in 4 places in his torso area. we've been through all sorts of scans, tests, then surgery and now about to start week 4 Chemo treatment on Monday (week three has been especially tough, I cant imaging how round 2 /week4 is going to be on the poor bloke. Anyway we manage somehow. My concentration span is not very long right now but the big Phantom this week has been nice to work on to ''escape'' for a little while. So as you can imaging not a lot of progress, mostly because I have not been home much. But progress none the less. Having said that, these outer wing panels have been extremely labor intensive. Also made the template to set the correct outer wing dihedral Archer rivets going on....terrible photo sorry Mr Surfacer 1200 on Just got a little tidying and a hinge reinforcing plate to add Now these are practically finished I can get on and finish the upper wing surface details on the stbd wing As always thanks for stopping by and hope it is of some interest Cheers Anthony geedubelyer, Starfighter, spartacus2000 and 13 others 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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