docdodj01 Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 How hard could it be from B to D Out2gtcha, BiggTim and MikeMaben 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 How hard could it be from B to D Im no Mustang expert, but they are relatively different beasts all around. Going either direction would probably be quite a bit of work. BiggTim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdodj01 Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 I actually have a Revell and Rutman B kit. I'm seriously considering doing it. I'm currently comparing fuselages Out2gtcha and BiggTim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdodj01 Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 https://www.flickr.com/gp/147199322@N07/Ms3H82 BiggTim and Out2gtcha 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Just my humble opinion but would be a shame to cut up a Rutman B (probably THE only accurate B on the market in 32nd) when its relatively rare, and there are some really decent $25.00 Revell new tool Ds on the market that are fairly plentiful comparatively speaking. David66, BiggTim and Rick Griewski 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quang Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 How hard could it be from B to D VERY hard. David66 and BiggTim 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radub Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) B to D or D to B?B to D... Why?D to B is hard. Although they may seem similar, they are different planes, just like a Bf 109 E is different from a Bf 109 G. But if you wish to do it, the easiest way to do it would be to combine the Hobbycraft P-51A with the Revell P-51D.- Graft the spine, including base of the tail fin, from the A To the D- Graft the wing root leading edge fron the A to the D- Graft the "wing end" of the lower engine cowl from the A to the D to account for the different wing leading edge and wheel well- You will need to rescribe the ammunition doors on the wings (shorter on the B. Change all position/navigation/landing lights.- there are many changes all around the wings and fuselage, rescribing, etc.You will need good references. In my opinion, there is no single "good" book on the Mustang that covers all differences. That explains why there is so much confusion about how hard it really is to make a B from a D or (a classic!) why just adding a tail fin fillet will not turn your D-5 a "something else I wanted".Radu Edited June 8, 2018 by Radub David66, docdodj01, R Palimaka and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maxim Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I just wish someone would give us a new tooled P-51B. How hard can it be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A340 Pilot Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 The fuselage of the Allison-powered A is 6 inches shallower than the Packard Merlin-powered B,C and D. BiggTim 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radub Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 The fuselage of the Allison-powered A is 6 inches shallower than the Packard Merlin-powered B,C and D. The difference in height happens below the wing. The "spine" (the top of the fuselage) and the canopy are similar between the P-51A and P-51B. I have the Hobbycraft "Air Commandos" kit for a similar project and it is adequate. Radu docdodj01, BiggTim, David66 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hubert Boillot Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 A bit like converting a F-18 C to a F-18 E .... but then the US Congress thought it doable ... Hubert Rick Griewski and David66 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hacker Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 Ok had the same thought so here is mine take it or leave it. l bought the new Revell Mustang with the same thought in mind. I have two of the older Bs in my stash. First l tried a straight up fuselage swap. A first glance it looks doable but a lot of work to get the interior and radiator parts from the new to the old fuselage . My next thought was just hack the spine off both and swap. Now this will work with less effort. Having said that l am still pondering what l really want to do . Maybe our luck will change and Revell will issue a B. What they have in the new kit has all the makings of one. A later D is also possible and might come first seeing it only needs a different tail where as the B will need a new fuselage ,canopy,and gun ports. I figure a later D will come first as it will be a quicker bang for the buck for Revell. I also considered using a Trumpeter fuselage but can not comment whether it will work as l do not have one unless someone wants to send me one. l have to sit down and really think about this before l comment to hacking stuff Hacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A340 Pilot Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 The extra 6 inches are above the wing, not below. Because of this, the Merlin Mustangs had to have a cockpit floor instead of using the upper wing surface as on the Allison Mustangs. Stein M Alburymodeler and R Palimaka 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docdodj01 Posted June 8, 2018 Author Share Posted June 8, 2018 what I mean is a D to a B. Sorry. Taking note of the words of advice and caution, I just need to satisfy my curiosity of how much differences there is between the two mustangs. So I took images of the P-51 kits, looking at differences. So the fuselage of the old revel P-51B lines up well enough with the new revel P-51D, until you reach the tail. Obviously, the razorback has a taller area even up to the tail. <a data-flickr-embed="true" data-context="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/147199322@N07/42613508192/in/photostream/"title="Untitled"><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1750/42613508192_4eea33f05b_z.jpg" width="480" height="640" alt="Untitled"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Remarkably enough, the tail wheel opening is more or less exactly the same as the one on the new kit. <a data-flickr-embed="true" data-context="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/147199322@N07/42613508432/in/photostream/"title="Untitled"><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1744/42613508432_a8f3ee8286_z.jpg" width="480" height="640" alt="Untitled"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> The same with the rutman kit. <a data-flickr-embed="true" data-context="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/147199322@N07/28789766058/in/dateposted/"title="Untitled"><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1732/28789766058_19bd6bcfba_z.jpg" width="640" height="480" alt="Untitled"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattlow Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 As already mentioned. If you have the Rutman P-51B, you don't need to do any conversion, just build that kit as it is The Revell new tool is an accurate P-51D (early) and goes together well. The Revell P-51B is pretty inaccurate, poorly detailed and lacking in finesse from what I understand. Any attempt at conversion/combining kits will end up with a lot of work and possibly something less accurate than you've currently got in your hands OOB.. Matt R Palimaka, Out2gtcha, docdodj01 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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