wunwinglow Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Variety is the spice of life. The kit manufacturers will never release a kit that will please everyone, so I don't mind at all that Revell will release this 109; I won't get one, any more than I did the Heinkels, Junkers and Focke Wulfs, but if these allow Revell to do the Hunters, Lynxs, Hawks and coming Spitfire II, I'm a happy bunny! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 You can say that again, especially in the case of Revell GmbH these days. They do home runs like 1/32 Ju88s, and then they do things like 1/72 A400Ms and 1/32 Bf109Gs... go figure. I hadn't known about the A400M; I have a friend that would love that. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotsman Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 Jennings , I appreciate the fact that Revell's decision to produce kit of the A400 seems odd to you , given that there isn't a wholly accurate 1/72 C-130, but its going to be an important aircraft this side of the pond , especially with Germany, France and the UK, primary markets for Revell , so sorry but they have to go with what seems bet to them ,and what suits their home market as for the 109 ... hmm that one can tI can take or leave! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Kevin Posted April 10, 2013 Share Posted April 10, 2013 I hadn't known about the A400M; I have a friend that would love that. Thanks. And it's huge too! Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinuheH Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 There is nothing stopping a US manufacturer releasing a decent C-130 kit, or is there.... Revell has already released a C-160 (which in many aspects surpassed the C-130's hold capacity), so in a sense it makes sense to continue with its successor. As for the 109, a new series at a more affordable price than the Hasegawa ones will be most welcome...... Now if there were to follow that with a new Hawker Hurricane, I'd really be happy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Cross Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Just what the world needs, another 109.... Actually, I would submit that it does. The Hasegawa Gustav-6 is a disappointing aircraft IMO. I hope this won't open another salvo from the "I love Hase kits" Kool-Aid crowd, but I have built two G-6s (here's one) and they required a lot of improvements, including Eagle Parts for the spinner, prop blades, oil cooler intake, guns and cockpit (what cockpit? Hasegawa doesn't need no stinkin' cockpit). The Revell kits, if the Arado float plane is any indication, result in a very acceptable OOB or near OOB build. I enhanced mine with seatbelts and some brass guns, but otherwise it's pretty much OOB (plus guy wires). I don't know that I have the appetite for a third Gustav, but those who do, this should be a sweet kit. D.B. Andrus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacewolf Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 A new tool 109 and the Tamiya Corsair ?.. along with all the original series BSG kits by Moebius ?..my model budget is SHOT ! :-) Vaughn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 I don't know about a massive market for a C-130. I certainly wouldn't buy one, no matter who released it, it's just not my bag. Though I'm perfectly content with my Hasegawa 109's, I'll probably snatch a Revell kit just because it will be inexpensive, and that I like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Is it reasonably to presume that the kit will not come with those earlier depicted, and cool, underwing rocket tubes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Lund Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Is it reasonably to presume that the kit will not come with those earlier depicted, and cool, underwing rocket tubes? Sure hope it will... Anyway I'll be gettin at least two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Mike Posted April 11, 2013 Share Posted April 11, 2013 Well, there ARE those of us that appreciate the Hase 109s, and the revolution they helped spark. Yes, they need a little love to be more accurate, but build well out of the box. I'm keen on the 109 by RoG, and hope it is as accurate as the Ju-88. i also want the underwing werfer granatesen. DougN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinuheH Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 The question is what makes money for Revell (or Tamiya or ....) - AND - as much as enthusiasts would like (insert pet dream project) - it is doubtful if it would recover the tooling costs. Revell.de's main market is in Germany, selling to a variety of toy shops etc - not the dedicated specialised hobby market. The people who buy in those shops will have heard about a Me 109 (not a Bf 109) - but most probably will never have heard of the Farley Fruitbat etc we select few are dreaming of. I'm happy with a new 109 - as it will allow me to build select Swiss variants - but I'm even more thrilled that FROM will release a IAR80. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Cross Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 (edited) I'd rather see a new tooling of,say, any Russian WWII single engined fighter aircraft, or a new Mossie, or a Pe-2, maybe a Hurricane. Still plenty of Japanese warplanes yet to see the light of day in 1/32 that would make superb subjects. It's possible to build a decent Gustav without too much trouble - it's not possible to build an awful lot of other planes because the kits don't exist or are way too old. I'd prefer a level of choice that can be improved upon, rather than a plane available in pretty much any imaginable variant. I hear what you're saying. But Revell of GERMANY (not Revell of Japan or Revell of Great Britain) has made money releasing several minor masterpieces that "work" for a wide swath of the modelling community. I have about $150 worth each of AM goodies for my Ju-88 and HE-129 kits in the stash, but the most-expensive thing on the Arado I built was the resin catapult. If you don't use one, the kit builds up very nicely OOB (plus seat belts). The Hase Gustav doesn't come CLOSE OOB; Eagle Editions has developed a light industry selling "fixes" for just those kits. And the new Trumpeter kits have set teeth grinding across the Internet. The question is what makes money for Revell (or Tamiya or ....) - AND - as much as enthusiasts would like (insert pet dream project) - it is doubtful if it would recover the tooling costs. Revell.de's main market is in Germany, selling to a variety of toy shops etc - not the dedicated specialised hobby market. The people who buy in those shops will have heard about a Me 109 (not a Bf 109) - but most probably will never have heard of the Farley Fruitbat etc we select few are dreaming of. I'm happy with a new 109 - as it will allow me to build select Swiss variants - but I'm even more thrilled that FROM will release a IAR80. Yes, we tend to forget that marketing decisions are made by folks who will lose their jobs if they ****-up. Revell of GERMANY has done nicely by us, folks: The Arado, Junkers, Heinkel and Uhu are all very satisfying from what I can see. And notice they're all German planes; not Russian, not French, not Japanese. Why would Revell of GERMANY go into Tamiya's back yard? That Tamiya has failed to release more than two versions of the Zero is not Revell of GERMANY's burden to take up, is it? Would I like to see a Dornier-17 "Flying Pencil" instead? Yes. But if the 109 will sell like crazy, it will keep Revell of GERMANY releasing other 32-scale kits, and that will make me a happy guy. Maybe a Flying Pencil is on the drawing boards somewhere? Edited April 12, 2013 by Bill Cross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Mike Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 Bill, my guess would be when the Goodwin Sands plane is reovered and put into some sort of place where it can be measured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunwinglow Posted April 12, 2013 Share Posted April 12, 2013 What always puzzles me is that if people have access to all this super accurate information, why are they not cracking on and getting this perfect kit into production themselves? Surely, if Jennings reckons a decent C-130 would sell by the 10,000, get it done! If the world needs a Perfect 109 G-whatever, do it! Getting injection moulds made, and kits run off, is a doddle. Just do a search online, there are hundreds and hundreds of tooling companies in the Far East who are desperate for such work, judging by my inbox! Getting CAD designs is easy too, if you have this perfect reference material to work from. And Solidworks, or Rhino, or most any other CAD software isn't that difficult to get to grips with, if you put in a bit of effort. So you can do the design work yourself, and therefore make sure it is perfect. This has to be a sure fire bet, so raising the capital for such a project should be easy, if you even need to go outside your own resources. You can check out your designs with Rapid Prototyping, decals and instruction sheets can be generated from common data, you can even render the CAD as imagery for your box art! So come on, quit whinging and get these perfect kits out in the market, and make your fortunes! Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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