Kagemusha Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Uncarina, Darren Howie, scvrobeson and 7 others 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncarina Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 (edited) Great news! A post -35 G version at last. The (I assume) box art has me curious, looking like azure blue while the profiles indicate neutral grey. What were the paint schemes for these Aussie Havocs? Cheers, Tom Edited September 3 by Uncarina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 lighter greys were common.Azure blue. Never Uncarina 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 9 hours ago, Uncarina said: Great news! A post -35 G version at last. The (I assume) box art has me curious, looking like azure blue while the profiles indicate neutral grey. What were the paint schemes for these Aussie Havocs? Cheers, Tom It's actually a mis-colouration in the box art ... The planes were actually on loan to the RAAF from the USA ... So unlike previous RAAF 'Bostons' or A-20's ... The G's were a temporary loan - Interesting story! ... Although the markings were changed on most (not all - depending largely on whether the Aussies could be assed changing them!) to reflect RAAF service, the paint remained (largely) as it was from US issue. Dark Olive Drab (41) on the topside with a smattering of Medium Green (42) around the edges to break up the shape. You will note the splotch of a varying shade of green underneath the RAAF markings in some areas where the US markings were painted over, prior to the RAAF markings being applied ... Neutral Grey (43) underneath completes the look ... I assume it's the misrepresentation of Medium Green in the artwork that has given you the Azure Blue vibe? Rog esarmstrong, Uncarina and scvrobeson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncarina Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 (edited) Thanks Rog! That’s very helpful. Yes, now that you mention it what I assumed to be the underside color is actually medium green. Cheers, Tom Edited September 3 by Uncarina Artful69 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
do335b6 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 Any idea if they will release an early without the turret? Been looking at doings some Mods to make a P-70 but most P70s didn't have a turret on the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis7423 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 28 minutes ago, do335b6 said: Any idea if they will release an early without the turret? Been looking at doings some Mods to make a P-70 but most P70s didn't have a turret on the top No indication at this point. To do so, they would need to tool several new sprues. Only a handful from the current releases would be applicable to the B/C variants, most being several interior bits, the landing gear, tail surfaces and the wings. It would require new interior pieces, new fuselage halves, a new nose (and new clear bits to go with it), and entirely new cowlings. But, never say never! - Dennis S. Mt. Juliet, TN USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 4 hours ago, do335b6 said: Any idea if they will release an early without the turret? Been looking at doings some Mods to make a P-70 but most P70s didn't have a turret on the top 4 hours ago, Dennis7423 said: No indication at this point. To do so, they would need to tool several new sprues. Only a handful from the current releases would be applicable to the B/C variants, most being several interior bits, the landing gear, tail surfaces and the wings. It would require new interior pieces, new fuselage halves, a new nose (and new clear bits to go with it), and entirely new cowlings. But, never say never! - Dennis S. Mt. Juliet, TN USA According to my best resource on the Havoc (ISBN 978-0764348334) ... the only real changes between types were the varying nose cone configurations, various armament types, different engines (and cowlings) and rear observation layout. The basic structure of the aircraft didn't change. So Dennis has the right of it for the most part. The changes to the kit parts wouldn't actually be all that dramatic ... sure, new/replacement parts will be needed, but I don't think the project would be all that arduous for Neil to do. The only modification required to the current kitted fuselage halves - would be to 'plug' the moulds in the upper rear observers position in order to create a hole for a new plug-in sub-assembly observers position. There is precedence for Neil doing this - with the B-17 fuselage halves - plugging one waist gunners aperture while creating the gap for its new location, using the existing moulds. With the level of detail already deployed in this kit, Neil really should have had the fuselage halves moulded this way from the start with a separate plug-in observers section containing the current Martin twin 50cal turret assembly and had the sprues set up for a modular design with a view to perhaps including some different variants later on ... or at least leaving that choice open! The dorsal section is easily replaced by 2 different small sprues (one grey, one clear) to depict the narrower fuselage dorsal section (sans turret) with a few interior details as well as the birdcage style canopy ... and your done! A sprue with different engines ... Maybe? ... But it's the cowlings that look different from the outside on various types ... we already have 2 different varieties ... the rest of the Nacelle remains the same. The nose cone is the same as the dorsal section in terms of modification - EXCEPT ... this design was done the right way from the outset ... probably because of the J/K variant being developed at the same time and boxed after the G. Ergo - design whatever nose configuration you want to and plug it on the front. Again, 2 small sprues (one grey, one clear) will get this sorted. There is actually not a huge amount of modification required to the existing kit to create the earlier variants ... Remove a couple of sprues ... add a couple of sprues, instruction amendment, markings amendments and box. I remember (vaguely) reading somewhere, in a post, that Neil was approached by someone at a convention (Telford?) enquiring about the possibility of earlier versions being produced and he answered in the affirmative. So there's that! ... I suppose that a lot of the weighting in that decision will depend on the sales of the current offering. Rog CRAZY IVAN5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 This would make full sense as RAF used far more the early variants and you have the choice between various schemes. To me these are clearly the most visually attractive versions. And with regard to the required extent of changes what they did to release the B-17E and F from the late G was at least as complex: engines cowlings, gun ports, tail, full nose,... CRAZY IVAN5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhamilton007 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 Having completed the conversion using the A-20G into a Boston III, I would say that just about very sprue would need updating in order to produce the early Boston. The way HK Models have laid the parts out on the individual sprue would suggest they did not have an early Boston in mind when planning the A-20G. Having said that I hope they do produce an early Boston - love to build another one, cheers Ryan dennismcc, Piprm, Uncarina and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 2 hours ago, rhamilton007 said: Having completed the conversion using the A-20G into a Boston III, I would say that just about very sprue would need updating in order to produce the early Boston. The way HK Models have laid the parts out on the individual sprue would suggest they did not have an early Boston in mind when planning the A-20G. Having said that I hope they do produce an early Boston - love to build another one, cheers Ryan Do you have a build thread for this? ... Which parts were replaced? Would be interesting to see a WIP to say the least! Cheers Rog CRAZY IVAN5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artful69 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 3 hours ago, thierry laurent said: This would make full sense as RAF used far more the early variants and you have the choice between various schemes. To me these are clearly the most visually attractive versions. And with regard to the required extent of changes what they did to release the B-17E and F from the late G was at least as complex: engines cowlings, gun ports, tail, full nose,... This is one of my favourite twins of the war ... along with the Beau ... Fast, manuverable enough to take on fighters, while carrying a reasonable ordnance load to cause significant damage. Durable enough to take solid hits while being able to hit hard, mechanically reliable, easy to fly with few vices, decent range. Neil can box them ... I'll buy every one! Rog Uncarina 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis7423 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 I'll add the photo here, as it's pertinent. All of the areas marked in red would require replacement or revision. The untouched parts, of which there are only a few, are those that wouldn't require any updating to produce an A-20B/C: - Dennis S. Mt. Juliet, TN USA CRAZY IVAN5 and Martinnfb 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY IVAN5 Posted September 5 Share Posted September 5 12 hours ago, rhamilton007 said: Having completed the conversion using the A-20G into a Boston III, I would say that just about very sprue would need updating in order to produce the early Boston. The way HK Models have laid the parts out on the individual sprue would suggest they did not have an early Boston in mind when planning the A-20G. Having said that I hope they do produce an early Boston - love to build another one, cheers Ryan Nice job ,dude! What did YOU use for the Foilage green? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennismcc Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 That conversion looks really great, an early RAF Boston would certainly tempt me, the turreted version leaves me cold. Cheers Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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