phantom Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I am getting ready for my next F4 build F4D from the Minnesota ANG, who makes the best exhaust nozzles? Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee White Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 Hi Can't answer your Q with any real knowledge of what's out there, but I'd like to invite you to join the Phantom Phever group build, where somebody is certain to know.... Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagemusha Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 These http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160542242848&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT I know they're the wrong type, but he also sells the early nozzles. He doesn't have them up for auction at present, but no doubt will do in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 These http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160542242848&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT I know they're the wrong type, but he also sells the early nozzles. He doesn't have them up for auction at present, but no doubt will do in a few days. I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Matt Posted March 10, 2011 Share Posted March 10, 2011 I've been collecting some info on burner cans for the Phantoms...I had this in a doc for my own ref. Apologies to the authors ( build articles from many sites) HTH... The exhaust nozzles, which came from Aires and are beautifully detailed, were sprayed with Gun Metal and Exhaust Exhaust detail – unlike Tamiya’s famously undersized exhausts, the Revell cans are correctly sized. They lack the inner detail of the real thing. The modeler can use photo-etch aftermarket pieces from Eduard to spruce up the interiors if they feel so inclined. In spite of all of the research Tamiya put into their F-4 kits, they somehow got the exhausts much too small in diameter. My theory is that the guy who designed the exhausts usually works in Tamiya's 1/35 armor department and got confused about what scale he was supposed to be working in. Cutting Edge seems to have used the Tamiya nozzles as the basis for their new ones, since theirs are also too small. The nozzles found in the Revell F-4E kit are the correct diameter, they just lack any interior detail. Much to my delight, I found a pair of long J-79 nozzles in my 1/32 Revell RF-4C kit (they were left over from the RF-4E version of the kit). After some experimenting with the Tamiya nozzles, I found that they fit right inside the Revell nozzles, solving the problem of mating them to the Tamiya afterburner cans. The only changes I had to make was to remove what little detail there was inside the Revell nozzles and cut away the "turkey feathers" of the Tamiya nozzles. The Revell nozzles are shorter than the Tamiya ones and don't completely cover the base of the Tamiya parts, so I extended the Revell nozzles with sheet styrene. On the suggestion of another person using the Revell nozzles, I used photo-etched parts from the Eduard F-4J detail set to build up the interior of the nozzles. Much better than my original plan of using sheet styrene. I had to remove some plastic from the keel, above and between the engines, to make room for the wider nozzles. Go slow and do a lot of test-fitting. Once installed, the Revell nozzles are a major improvement to the looks of the rear of the model. HTH..Matty Mel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csavaglio Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 (edited) I just got a set of the ones om eBay for the later, long style and I agree, they're very nice and reasonably priced. I used the Aires short style on my C build, which would be the style to use on a D. They are NOT undersized like their long style sibling, and they are very nicely detailed. They only two issues are that the cans interiors are a bit simplified and when assembled out of box, too closely set, making it hard to fit te nozzles later. If you know this going in, it's just a matter of shimming them by about .010"-.020". Not knowing this going in, it's difficult to test fit because of how the fuselage goes together and it was a pain to correct. C Edited March 11, 2011 by csavaglio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Colvin Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 You cant go wrong with the aires stuff. Did the small sheets arrive? Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Didn’t CAM make some also, or am I hallucinating again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAGNEW Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Joe Lortie makes the best around for the price. he is a member here. PM him, he will cast you up a set Glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pavel Posted March 11, 2011 Share Posted March 11, 2011 Eduard makes new 1/32 Brassin rage and they offer both style of exhaust for Tamiya F-4, short and long for C,D or E,J Hope it helps Pavel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phantom Posted March 11, 2011 Author Share Posted March 11, 2011 Bob, I will be emailing my friend tonight as to the status of the sheets. Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony T Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I am getting ready for my next F4 build F4D from the Minnesota ANG, who makes the best exhaust nozzles? Thanks Mike I am satisfied with the Cutting Edge (short), which I had already, and Aires (long) nozzles, but haven't yet seen the Eduard Brassin 'short can' examples which might be far better. More to the point, I also have a USAF F-4 in progress, off and on, which I was thinking of doing as a North Dakota ANG example - where do you get decals for a 148th Minnesota ANG F-4D? If you are getting a set made, I would happily pay for a set and do a Minnesota Guard 'North Star' F-4D instead! Tony T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Matt Posted March 12, 2011 Share Posted March 12, 2011 I think I have the CE short and they do look good enough for me...much better than the kit nozzles. I checked the Aries website and their stuff looks insanely amazing and more detailed than the CE set. The Eduard Brassin range have some for the Early C/D Tamiya and are highly detailed but they are 60% the price of an entire kit. I think you could buy Brassin ejection seats and nozzles and it might cost you more than the entire Tamiya kit. Sigh...is it so bad OOB? The Brassin sets do look incredible though. Cheers Matty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 I believe Eduard has just trumped everyone at least in level of detail with their new offering of the F-4 Exhaust Nozzles for the early J-79’s. This new release to their Brassin line IMO is Stupendous, Exquisite and so forth. You be the Judge! Outer and Inner Nozzle sections..separate pieces to allow for some beautifully crafted detail! Burner section....NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dry fit build up....again NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Engine Exhaust and Turbine Face with IDG "Bullet" again IMO very nicely done. The level of detail on the Bullet is awesome. Yes most of it will not be very visible but it's nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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