Erwin Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 The winner confirms that the water in the Seine isn't polluted at all !! Hartmann352, Kagemusha, Archimedes and 10 others 11 2
Kagemusha Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 If that was the Thames he'd have three eyes. Phantom2, scvrobeson, bevelduc and 5 others 3 5
Hartmann352 Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 Oy vey! Not sure what it would look like if it came out of the lower Milwaukee River. I shudder at the thought. Cheers, Dave Erwin, Christa and BiggTim 3
Oldbaldguy Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 Hahahaha!! Now that’s funny, that there is. BiggTim and Erwin 2
Christa Posted August 1, 2024 Posted August 1, 2024 If that text is German, OBG AND Germans know from funny! Oldbaldguy 1
Erwin Posted August 2, 2024 Author Posted August 2, 2024 17 hours ago, Christa said: If that text is German, OBG AND Germans know from funny! It's Dutch (used in Belgium,Flanders and The Netherlands) Christa 1
mozart Posted August 2, 2024 Posted August 2, 2024 Interestingly, though presumably Flemish, it’s understandable in English! Erwin 1
Christa Posted August 3, 2024 Posted August 3, 2024 Interesting to note that pollution of rivers, habitually, but erroneously blamed on 'heavy' rainfall, happens in France and in the UK. Who knew? Oldbaldguy 1
thierry laurent Posted August 3, 2024 Posted August 3, 2024 The problem is simple. European institutions have asked for the enforcement of national policies regarding water cleaning. However, as such facilities are very expensive they are tailored for the normal amount of water coming in the cycle. Unfortunately each time you have exceptional circumstances they are overloaded and in cities the surplus of water arriving in the sewers goes directly to the rivers. This explains that. Alas, with the climate going mad, such exceptional circumstances are less rare than they were intended to be... mozart and Christa 2
Oldbaldguy Posted August 3, 2024 Posted August 3, 2024 Or it could be that people are pooping in the rivers of Europe with great regularity and/or that raw sewage is being dumped directly into waterways as a matter of course. That is how it’s been done for millennia, has it not? It is well known that they do it in the streets of some cities here in the States without so much as a second thought. Rivers and streams are at least self-flushing, so why not?
thierry laurent Posted August 3, 2024 Posted August 3, 2024 2 hours ago, Oldbaldguy said: Or it could be that people are pooping in the rivers of Europe with great regularity and/or that raw sewage is being dumped directly into waterways as a matter of course. That is how it’s been done for millennia, has it not? It is well known that they do it in the streets of some cities here in the States without so much as a second thought. Rivers and streams are at least self-flushing, so why not? Dumping directly dirty/polluted water in the rivers is not tolerated anymore in Europe.
Christa Posted August 3, 2024 Posted August 3, 2024 5 hours ago, thierry laurent said: The problem is simple. European institutions have asked for the enforcement of national policies regarding water cleaning. However, as such facilities are very expensive they are tailored for the normal amount of water coming in the cycle. Unfortunately each time you have exceptional circumstances they are overloaded and in cities the surplus of water arriving in the sewers goes directly to the rivers. This explains that. Alas, with the climate going mad, such exceptional circumstances are less rare than they were intended to be... Agreed Thierry, you have the current situation succinctly accounted for, BUT may I respectfully suggest a complex engineering system (with a significant public health responsibility) that does not cope with accurately predicted and increasingly frequent overload conditions is no longer fit for purpose? Correction, or capacity upgrade will be costly, but surely these faults are not expected to cure themselves unless populations substantially decrease, soon. Do Olympics ordinarily highlight health hazards? Chris MikeC 1
thierry laurent Posted August 3, 2024 Posted August 3, 2024 Alas you're fully right! As we used to say in French "governing means foreseeing" or at least it should... Christa 1
Tony T Posted August 4, 2024 Posted August 4, 2024 We need separate storm drains, so rainwater goes straight to the rivers and sea, and effluent only to sewage works. Alas, more and more people, more and more rain, and not much storm drain construction. It's suffocating the fish. People ask me why I never go sailing or swimming in the UK — and it's not just the cold water compared to southern France! Tony MikeC and Christa 2
LSP_Ray Posted August 4, 2024 Posted August 4, 2024 On 8/3/2024 at 5:11 AM, thierry laurent said: The problem is simple. European institutions have asked for the enforcement of national policies regarding water cleaning. However, as such facilities are very expensive they are tailored for the normal amount of water coming in the cycle. Unfortunately each time you have exceptional circumstances they are overloaded and in cities the surplus of water arriving in the sewers goes directly to the rivers. This explains that. Alas, with the climate going mad, such exceptional circumstances are less rare than they were intended to be... Probably France is dealing with a similar problem that still plagues Portland, Oregon. While there are all kinds of clean water acts and policies, when you are dealing with drain systems first built over 100 years ago, all kinds of problems have to be overcome. Paris would be dealing with even older systems. One problem Portland has to deal with, and I bet Paris and other cities in France are the same, is the old "combined drainage" systems. That is old drains that handle both storm drain and sewer. Because there is sewage in them, they go to the sewage treatment plants. So, in any heavy rain or flood conditions the amount of rainwater causes the sewage plants to be overwhelmed, and they have to dump the excess directly in the river. Combined drains have not been allowed for many decades, but there are still some out there and every once in a while, they still discover a system that doesn't even show up in their records. Like the one our excavator hit while digging footings for a project that filled the whole block-sized job with two feet of sewage! thierry laurent and Christa 2
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