europapete

I’ve never heard of them but now I’ve found the missing piece for two WNW kits I haven’t attempted to start - the prop

Spot on Pete. Proper Plane make very fine additions for our models indeed.
 
Kind regards,
Paul

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Looking at your RFI's, you are better than you think.

Looking at your RFI's, you are better than you think.

I probably reside in 4+5 A.

Looking at your RFI's, you are better than you think.

Looking at your RFI's, you are better than you think.

Great analysis Paul.
 
I'd put myself down as a solid 2-B, but I'm trying my hardest to move to a 3!
 
One of the compelling things about scale modelling is that you have to exhibit both a practical and artistic bent within each project. To get a kit constructed you have to be able to apply practical skills, but once it is complete, to finish it, you need to bring to bear your artistic attributes.
 
I'm definitely more of the latter, so most projects - particularly in these larger scales, are me engaged in a fight and struggle to get a completed canvas for me to then bring my artistic side to bear - which I feel is my strong suit.
 
Don't get me wrong - I love the building side, just don't think I'm as good at it!
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Same experience here!

There are so many wonderful posts on this thread already! I’ll try to contribute a little something worthwhile.
 
Salvador Dali once famously said “Don’t worry about perfection, you’ll never reach it” and the same could be said for ‘accuracy’ because even if one is building an exact 1:1 replica of the real thing, some compromises will be inevitable. As we get smaller in scale the compromises we all have to make get ever bigger. But whatever compromises we make: what we do should always be enjoyable or else why are we doing it?
 
There is a continuum or hierarchy of model making which is usually dictated by experience (and before anyone gets upset there is nothing wrong with being in any of these groups):
1. Those who are working to assemble a kit they bought without a major mess-up and get it painted and decalled according to the manufacturer’s instructions. 
2. Those who are working to assemble a kit and have it painted and decalled according to some of their secondary source research. 
3. Those who work to build a kit and modify it somewhat according to their primary and secondary source research. This is to further approach a more accurate representation of the overall shape and details of a chosen aircraft type. They then have it painted, decalled and weathered according to their research.
4. Those who are willing and able to wholesale modify a kit to get a particular kit to model a particular airframe at a particular time and who will do a great deal of  primary and secondary source research to enable them to paint, decal and weather their chosen subject.
5.  Scratch builders who do extensive, independent primary source research, who experiment with many methods and materials in creating a one-off and who can create components in a variety of media and can paint, decal, weather their subject in an entirely controlled manner to achieve the result they want.
 
Every one of these groups is represented here. The great thing about LSP is that each group tends to help the others: Group 1 to remind the other four to ‘Just put a model together and have fun like you did when you were a kid!’ Group 4 to help people in groups 1,2 and 3 how they overcame problems when they were less experienced. Group 5 to show to everyone the art of the possible. I won’t list all possible combinations but you get the picture.
 
There are two schools that work within those groups (and the Venn diagram that represents these two groups has a healthy overlap).
A. ‘Realists’: Fidelity to the real original is all: This group would be likely to match colours to chip samples using RLM or Federal Standards. Everyone from group 2 on through 5 could belong here. Modellers like Paul Budzik tend to reside in this space.
B. ‘Artists’: Creating the right impression is all. This group would be likely to simply choose colours from a palette because they simulated particular light conditions or took account of scale or wanted to create an impression of a deeper cockpit opening. The ‘Spanish School’ tend to reside in this group.
 
I mostly belong in groups 1 and 2 and occasionally I venture into 3. Like @mozart I try to get it ‘as accurate as I can’ and like @Stokey Pete I try to have fun while I do that. I get my ambition from @airscale (wow) and sense of perspective and new subjects to research from @Christa (thank you buddy), my hope that I too can do more challenging work from @tomprobert , collaboration from @europapete and awareness of what the industry does and how to correct what they don’t do well from @thierry laurent. And I thank the moderators who keep here the best modelling site on the planet.
 
Are my models ‘accurate’? Nope. But each is as well made as I can do it at the time and I enjoy every minute of it. That is not only due to the building and painting process itself but also down to the great community here. Thank you all.
 
Kind regards,
Paul.

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

I too have purchased these works of art. Wonderful service and product. Worth the price. I try to support all  the artisans, manufacturers and hobby shops from the Ukraine. Under war conditions they are performing miracles.  Glory to Ukraine........and its modeling community.
 
Jager
Living on Tulsa Time
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI
 

Hi Guys, A while ago I ordered a wooden propeller and 3D seat for my CSM Caudron G3.  They arrived in good time ( considering they had to be made to order and then add on Ukraine's situation) over here to the U.S.  Shipping was around two weeks. Not bad as Hannants takes 8-10 days with no war zone issues, which is all down to the Post Office, NOT Hannants. 
What can I say. Proper Plane has done an AWESOME job with this.  The propeller is very well made. An ultra smooth finnish, a nice satin varnish, the blades are even, equal, no variation between them. The wood grain is tiny, not overscale. 
I have bought other props from them before, ( Gotha G4, AEG G4) Oh, yes, on the AEG set ( two props) The set I ordered represents the well known photo with the whales mouth decor. This plane has two different props fitted. Proper Plane represents this perfectly. Two accurately different props. Just look at the photos, then look at the props. 'Nuff said.  
If you need a propeller for your WW1 masterpiece, just do it.  
On the seat, same accolades. Way better than CSM's kit seat. (and that is good!) 
The reason to upgrade an already good kit seat is that the rear seat that this represents is very open to view and is wicker built. The Proper Plane version represents the wicker construction much better/finer than the kit seat, is thinner in the walls, and much better defined. 
No, this is not an advert. Just a happy customer letting you all know about a good supplier. 
Regards, Pete in RI