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57 minutes ago, Rick K said:
I've won many a bar bet that Hurricanes were the main RAF fighter for BOB. Flew more and downed more Nazi a/c.
That was my disappointment with the Piece of Cake mini-series, they put them in Spits!
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7 hours ago, Out2gtcha said:
Me thinks this thread is heading a bit south gents............just a bit of heeding here on not getting too personal. Just me, but I personally think the truth is the truth and how different individuals take it, can make all the difference on how they choose to express their opinions on it.
On a side note, just me but I personally cannot STAND the "woke" and "wokeness" expressions and how they now somehow get used.. It was an expression that originated from African Americans who were marginalized and now it seems its just fodder for being tossed around by whomever chooses to use it in whatever context, usually having nothing to do with how it was intended to be used, and in todays society has lost all its actual meaning, except a political one.
I agree 100% that the truth is the truth, not fat shaming or wokeness
. It would be nice if people could discuss things without getting emotional, but humans are humans. In general, the people here do a wonderful job keeping things light and civil. FAR more than most places on the internet. The only other place even close is Bring a Trailer.
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On 12/9/2023 at 5:42 AM, John1 said:
So he's a big fat meanie with a drinking problem who hurt other people's feelings? I could care less. He was an amazing warrior who served his country well and sacrificed more than anyone who has decided to judge him after the fact has, including those of us on this forum. I agree that many other amazing stories never got the attention they should have, Carl being a prime example but that's an issue to take up with the folks in Hollywood. He lived under a microscope which tended to focus on his flaws. Who knows, maybe some of those clean-cut all-American heros that you want the world to know more about also had their share of skeletons in the closets as well?
Bottom line is that every one of these guys was a human being, not a comic book character.
You realize the guy is dead and can't have his feelings hurt by the truth being told, right?
Hey, it's cool, I get it; you think these guys are above reproach because they are 'heroes.' I guess their deeds make them more than human and absolve them of their problems. That makes them less real, but it does make them look good, in a fake history sort of way. Anyway, it's not the people here judging Boyington. We are repeating what his peers thought of him and how he felt about himself. You're standing up for a man who admitted he was a bum. History proves it.
Service does not automatically make you a hero, if it did people would have to view the SS and Germany Army as heroic when they were not, at all, in any way, that.
If only Jeffrei Dalmer had been a WWII vet, he would have been absolved of all crimes!
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4 hours ago, D Bellis said:
This, and it is well documented fact - not an implication:
Boyington was only good at 2 things: Leading men in combat and self-promotion. He was famous for stating "Show me a hero and I'll show you a bum", which is a fair assessment of himself but an insult to actual heroes.
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Maybe Three, he was supposed to be a pretty good boxer, drunk or sober, and four could be, flying, even while drunk.
His boxing skills put many of his fellow officers in the hospital on Espiritu Santo.
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5 hours ago, cbk57 said:
Do you follow the pacific war podcast series? They did an episode related to Boyington but better yet the episode on the P-38 ace race. The story of one of the pilots in that series was truly amazing, not Bong. I did not mean to state you or anyone else vilified Boyington. I just saw there was a debate of his qualities, however by circumstance we know who he is, as such we can go down the path where we consider others beyond Boyington. We might not be having this conversation without him and being reminded of others who might have been more worthy than he.
The "unauthorized" one? If so, I have not listened to their one on the Ace Race. The Boyington one was pretty good, if maybe not harsh enough, considering the hate thing one of their guys has for MacArthur.
The Race of Aces book is outstanding, even if it just covers the 5th Air Force guys.
Everyone brings up his overclaiming of kills while a Tiger, so it should be said here he lied and should not be considered the Marine's Top Ace. It's sad the Marines who push honor and integrity will not take a look at Boyington's real war record. He was nothing but trouble, everywhere he served, and you can very much make the case his service was not honorable.
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3 minutes ago, cbk57 said:
I think many of us think of Boyington as the lovable tough guy fictional character we saw on television. That certainly colored my first impressions, like so many of us he was a flawed human being, his life just happened to be a lot more interesting to other parties than mine has been, as such he got a book and a TV series. I do not aspire to ever be as interesting though as Gregory Boyington. I do not elevate, nor do I reduce him for his good or bad qualities. Robert Conrad may have been a better Gregory Boyington, than Gregory Boyington was. However, he does help bring us back to a time when young people were doing great things, some were better some worse. Many better than any of us never told their story because they died without the chance. Some died heroes, some disease, accident or whatever the cause, but none the less Boyington is worthy of his story for better and worse.
What's kind of funny is Conrad had a horrible rep for being a jerk as well, and stuntmen hated him, because he would actually punch them!
I don't hate Boyington at all, I view him for what he was, a very flawed but interesting man. My bigger point was, that men like Marion Carl, men who should be better known, are not, while the legend, and not the truth about Boyington lives on.
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18 minutes ago, John1 said:
Brutal post. The guy behind Boyingon doesn’t look emaciated either. So this is what it comes to? Body shaming American POW’s? Plenty of diseases manifest themselves with distended abdomens. What exactly are you implying?
There were men there who reported that they asked Boyington to give up some food to sick men because Greg had a deal going with the cook to get extra food for himself. Greg refused. This stuff is documented in many, many places. Maybe you should read up a little on the man so you at least know the subject matter.
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6 hours ago, John1 said:
Pretty harsh, compassionless opinion on a guy who honorably served his nation, was a combat ace and spent years in a Japanese prison camp. If I went through all that, I might be struggling with some demons as well. We’ve got thousands of vets from our recent conflict who arguably saw much less duress than Boyington seeking treatment for PTSD and yet this guy is nothing more than a drunken a-hole? Maybe your dad had a bit of jealousy going on here? Sorry but your post really rubs me the wrong way. Hopefully the next time we have an all-out war, we’ll still have a few of those a-holes around to fight for us.
You would prefer to excuse the guy for the good things he did. I would rather see actual good men get more recognition and the real story be told. The truth should be told about the men who did these things. Covering it up does a bigger disservice to history. The truth about people is more critical than myths and sensitive feelings. He was a bad guy before the war even started. He cut out and left his wife in debt to join the Flying Tigers.Sanitized history is not real history.
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7 hours ago, Oldbaldguy said:
Shoulda had Tom Cruise do the series. Coulda called it Mission Impossible: The Mighty Eighth Episode. He’d have gotten it right except for the motorcycle and skydiving parts.
It would at the very least have one actual flying P-51 in it, since he owns one, and used it in Topgun2.
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It's interesting Chuck Y came up for being a jerk, but Pappy didn't. In my opinion, it's a real shame men like Marion Carl and John Smith are not as well known. They were actual stand-up guys. My dad could be very direct, and he saw me reading Baa Baa Black Sheep. He asked me what I thought of Boyington, I was like 12, and said I thought he was a hero. My dad's response stuck with me, because it was dripping contempt. He said Boyington was a disgraceful, drunken ******* and not someone to be admired, and Boyington himself would freely admit to it. He also suggested a book, but I do not remember it, but it wasn't Chuck's!
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For flying war movies, I like the Battle of Britain, but it's gotta be the long version. I also really enjoy "The Bridges at Toko-ri", with Holden and Grace Kelly, and "The Hunters" with Mitchum.
A guilty pleasure is "Flight of the Intruder", and it is worth the time just for the great A-1 Skyraider work done by the Planes of Fame.
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That's cool! Hopefully, someone doesn't get the bright idea to turn this one into a "Car" and break female land speed records, for reasons... The last time ended badly.
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This sounds like a great project. Espirito Santa was a French holding. We took over and turned into a fairly large base. The fighter strip was a few miles north of the main base, I suspect because fighter pilots were rowdy and had sticky fingers. The island was a low population Coconut or Pineapple plantation.
We used this base during the Solomons as a rest and refit area and a holding area for replacement aircraft and men. There is where Greg Boyington was when he reformed VMF-214 after it was disbanded after the Guadalcanal was secured. It was within range of fighters of the Canal.
Today it's a resort island, with good Scuba, since its one of the places we just dumped gear in the Lagoon at the end of the war. There is an amazing blue hole near the fighter strip, I wonder if the men living there found it.
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I love that little Hellcat and Zero! Your action builds are awesome! The Helldiver really looks like a BEAST! I totally dig it.
Happy Thanksgiving!
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8 minutes ago, John1 said:
How would it do? It would overwhelm peer adversaries through sheer force of its Brrrtt personality. The beloved Hog is the Chuck Norris of combat jets.
So mythically awesome?
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The Achilles came.
Looking through the instructions, Andy really made some cool little improvements. If you look at the periscope setup, they are now two parts, sandwiched, so they will rotate without being loose. They also included an option to put an empty periscope holder in place, showing how they looked without the actual periscope part installed. I'll have to check and see if these parts work on the older Andy's Sherman.
I'm really looking forward to starting them, but I have to get the M103 done, since it s for a friend. It's coming along very well as well, 75% done.
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How would it do against the Russians, say in Poland next month, or over Tiawon in six Months?
5 minutes ago, Pete Fleischmann said:
But what does this have to do with the Tomcats limited resume and undeserved fan boy fascination?
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The A-10 is the Airforce version of the same phenomenon?
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1 hour ago, Dave Williams said:
LOL, an “Internet study”. Just a wild guess, but if drones dropping small gravity bombs can penetrate the top armor of Russian tanks in Ukraine, I’m pretty sure that 30mm depleted uranium rounds hitting at over 3000 ft/sec can penetrate it too.Sorry, my bad, I should have said a government study hosted on the internet. I went and dug it up. There is also one where they wrecked some M-47s.
To be fair, the A-10 does do a little better than I remembered, but the threat environment now is so much worse at low altitude the gun really is nearly useless.
Without the gun, what can an A-10 that Pete's F-16 can't do?
New "Battle Over Britain" movie to be released
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Kind of like what Olive Stone did with Platoon! Was Memphis Belle also the one where they crashed A B-17 while filming?