Gazzas Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 This photo is from the 65 Sqdn Flickr site. I know from the lack of fin flash that it's an early photo. But the roundel I don't know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Air Ministry Order A.154/39 dated 27th April, 1939 directed the use of Type B fuselage roundels and the with the Grey Codes. Check this reference: Spitfire Markings D Bellis and Gazzas 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzas Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, RBrown said: Air Ministry Order A.154/39 dated 27th April, 1939 directed the use of Type B fuselage roundels and the with the Grey Codes. Check this reference: Spitfire Markings Oh, thank you! Lots of material there for me to learn. RBrown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 hth Uncarina, dennismcc, Gazzas and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) From an old Scale Aircraft Modeling magazine, authored by Ted Hooton... K9956 was assigned to 65 Squadron on May 1, 1939. Reassigned to 603 Squadron on December 4, 1939. 17 April, 1940, aircraft overshot landing in heavy rain and overturned. Edited March 27, 2023 by RBrown dennismcc and Gazzas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Here is a clearer photo showing the serial of FZoL to be K9906... And here she is a few months later after the Squadron Code changed to YT... Aircraft is fitted with two pronged pitot tube and pole style mast, no armor on windscreen or voltage regulator. Serial number is also on fin in two inch lettering. In the second photo it appears to have been fitted with a reflector gun sight, replacing the earlier ring and bead. Gazzas, Pete Roberts and Uncarina 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozart Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 The roundel markings, squadron codes, serials or no serials, paint schemes especially of the undersides, changed almost by the hour at this late pre-war and early stages of the war, so almost any combination is possible. Standardisation there wasn’t. dennismcc, Cheetah11, MikeMaben and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Kotare have plans for an early Mark I. Uncarina and Dpgsbody55 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozart Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) Excellent news! This one I WILL buy. Edited March 29, 2023 by mozart Gazzas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dpgsbody55 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, RBrown said: Kotare have plans for an early Mark I. This is the kit that is applicable to the 65 Squadron Spitfires picture at the top of this page and the kit for me. Never built an early Spitfire, so looking forward to this release. Might also get the MkV, especially if it comes as a Vc as I want to do a 1943 Darwin Spitfire. Cheers, Michael Edited March 28, 2023 by Dpgsbody55 Uncarina 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dpgsbody55 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 10 hours ago, RBrown said: And here she is a few months later after the Squadron Code changed to YT... Aircraft is fitted with two pronged pitot tube and pole style mast, no armor on windscreen or voltage regulator. Serial number is also on fin in two inch lettering. In the second photo it appears to have been fitted with a reflector gun sight, replacing the earlier ring and bead. In Bob Stanford Tuck's biography, he relates a story in which a very senior German general (Milch, I think) was doing a tour of 65 squadron Spitfires. They'd all just been fitted with the brand new and highly secret reflector sights and the squadron had been briefed to tell Milch that the sights were so new, they hadn't yet been trained to use them. Milch got to Tuck's plane and hopped up onto the wing to look into the cockpit and noticed the gun sight and asked how it worked, whereupon the escorting very senior RAF officer gave him chapter and verse on it's use. As they got down, Tuck enquired as to whether or not it would be nice to box one up for the nice nazi general. Cheers, Michael RBrown, Uncarina, Gazzas and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scale32 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 On 3/28/2023 at 4:30 AM, RBrown said: Here is a clearer photo showing the serial of FZoL to be K9906... And here she is a few months later after the Squadron Code changed to YT... Aircraft is fitted with two pronged pitot tube and pole style mast, no armor on windscreen or voltage regulator. Serial number is also on fin in two inch lettering. In the second photo it appears to have been fitted with a reflector gun sight, replacing the earlier ring and bead. Looks as though the fuselage roundels have had the yellow painted out...... or am I seeing things? Great photos. Cheers Bevan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzas Posted March 29, 2023 Author Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Scale32 said: Looks as though the fuselage roundels have had the yellow painted out...... or am I seeing things? Great photos. Cheers Bevan Looks like it to me, too. Scale32 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozart Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Scale32 said: Looks as though the fuselage roundels have had the yellow painted out...... or am I seeing things? Great photos. Cheers Bevan Not only the yellow fuselage ring, but also the serial number if you look closely. All part of the “confusion” that existed during this time of uncertainty about what did or didn’t matter with RAF schemes. Scale32 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) Spitfires K9815 through K9960 would have left the factory with 35 inch Type A1 roundels. These were modified to 25 inch Type B roundels beginning in March of 1939. In late November 1940 all units were directed to change from Type B roundels to Type A. Edited March 29, 2023 by RBrown Dpgsbody55, Scale32, mozart and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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