oyoy5 Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Not sure but thanks for any advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightersweep Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 Are we talking like the "Emil" style seat? I know there's a photo of one of Marseille's birds that shows an Emil type seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Griewski Posted January 20, 2018 Share Posted January 20, 2018 IIRC the Hasegawa F-4 has the early seat. Does not mean it is correct so look for a few cockpit views out on the Internet. Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oyoy5 Posted January 20, 2018 Author Share Posted January 20, 2018 Yeah I see several different seats as well, most are not the same seat as the E though. I may go ahead and buy one of the Quickboost since it's a lot nicer than the kit seat. Rick Griewski 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted January 21, 2018 Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) The top of the Emil type seat sits above the cockpit decking and is seen frequently in photos of Bf 109 F-2s... According to Hasegawa's instructions for their Bf 109 F-4 Trop kit, the earlier Emil type seat is correct for all four Marseille schemes depicted in the kit. However looking at photos of various machines it appears that perhaps only one was in fact so fitted, W. Nr. 8693, an Erla built F-4 Trop. Here are two photos of personnel working on the engine mounted cannon, the aircraft in the background is Marseilles Bf 109 F-4 Trop, W. Nr. 8693. An Emil type seat has been removed and is visible in the last photo. Of course just because the aircraft and the seat were photographed together does not mean that the seat was actually fitted to the aircraft. Photos of the other known Bf 109 Fs assigned to Marseille (W. Nr. 10059, 10137, 8673) are likely equipped with the simplified bucket seat associated with the 109 G. Edited January 21, 2018 by RBrown D Bellis and Menelaos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 The top of the Emil type seat sits above the cockpit decking and is seen frequently in photos of Bf 109 F-2s... That's the right seat but it was never in an E. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightersweep Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 When I was doing some digging on Marseille's Wr Nr 8693, people often used the phrase "Emil style seat". I did take that to mean an actual Emil seat, so it's good to hear that the early F seat was different. I'll have to do some looking around for some drawings of this seat as I'm building 8693 in 1/24. Just an aside....modern research says that 8693 didn't have the white theatre markings on the wingtips. Am I seeing things, or can I see a lighter colour on the underside of the wingtips in that second photo of 8693? MikeMaben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBC Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Just an aside....modern research says that 8693 didn't have the white theatre markings on the wingtips. Am I seeing things, or can I see a lighter colour on the underside of the wingtips in that second photo of 8693? There are photos of this aircraft being fueled up at Martuba in 1942 which clearly show that it did not have white wingtips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 (edited) Here are two photos taken at Martuba, Libya in February 1942. The aircraft is very likely W. Nr. 8693... Edited January 22, 2018 by RBrown D Bellis and Troy Molitor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightersweep Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 There are photos of this aircraft being fueled up at Martuba in 1942 which clearly show that it did not have white wingtips. Thanks! That's the way I'll be doing it then...without the white wingtips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 ... the early F seat was different. I'll have to do some looking around for some drawings of this seat as I'm building 8693 in 1/24. If you find some, please drag them in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaninaustria Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I was told at the Deutsche Technikmuseum Berlin some years ago by an old Luftwaffe mechaniker that "yes" the older style seat was used in the early F series. He was explaining to our group all the differences from the E up to to the late G series. I would take that info to be as accurate... Cheers Alan Troy Molitor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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