stusbke Posted June 20, 2006 Author Share Posted June 20, 2006 Thanx all for the comments Lovely detail work Frederick. Just one small thing, might be well out of line here since I am not a jet man but do you think you need to thin down the walls of the edge of the can a bit. It looks so good but I think it is a bit too thick. The fact that you can take all the suff apart for painting is the way to go. It is very difficult to get a good pait job done with all the detail in place. This is a fantastic build man! Well at first I thought about that too then I started doing the detailing and afterwards I had something like yeah but I can live with it . Actualy the thickness of the kit aprt is fairly good it just lacks detail shape wise it was ok according to the tweak list. I just looked at some pics and yes its be thinner but then I would need to build entirely from scratch, I'm not that good (yet ). I hope to post some in progress soon as I'm currently working on the flaps. Greetz STB Frederick Jacobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stusbke Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 I managed to get some more bench time and finisched the flaps I replaced the kit ones with new ones made from alu sheet heres how they look like the next two pictures show the inside of these puppies last one a shot from her rear end ps I didnt glue them yet so the alignment was a bit off but I hope you get the idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stusbke Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 next on the list are the slats but these will take some time to work out I'm still comparing references on this as I dont want to fubar this up. I also started on the nose gear and all its parts.I made a new one as is requested in the tweak list. I turned the nose wheel a bit to make it look more better. I know this is hardly real as they usualy line those puppies well up but I like it I also changed the nose gear door there still some detail to add, but I need to finisch the nose gear first voila thats all for now hope to have more verry soon Greetz STB Frederick Jacobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impatient Pete Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Lookin good Stusbke... I am still debating AM for the exhausts or going your route. That detail at the root of the wing where the flap covers looks good. What was your method for constructing it? I can't wait to see how the new nose gear turns out. This impromptu GB is a great thing. A real motivator. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boness Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Looks good, dont forget to offset your rudder to match the nosse wheel , That must be the tamiya kit, the revell kit has a two piece nose gear which will make turning mine easyier. Like that extra little detail around the flap area, adds a nice touch. jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Thierry ,Laurent and myself saw the lovely work 'life' at a convention today. It looks great in the pics but even greater up close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete63 Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Frederick, A very interesting build so far - I hope to build the F-4 too some day... With regards to the ailerons - if you put one of them up, you must have the other one down or vice versa... The large flaps (closest to the fuselage) are the ones that hang down together at the same time... But you knew that already, of course..! I especially like your tail pipes - scratchbuilding them is so much more rewarding than buying the aftermarket stuff, isn't it..? Many happy landings! Piet Bouma The Netherlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stusbke Posted June 25, 2006 Author Share Posted June 25, 2006 Frederick, A very interesting build so far - I hope to build the F-4 too some day... With regards to the ailerons - if you put one of them up, you must have the other one down or vice versa... The large flaps (closest to the fuselage) are the ones that hang down together at the same time... But you knew that already, of course..! I especially like your tail pipes - scratchbuilding them is so much more rewarding than buying the aftermarket stuff, isn't it..? Many happy landings! Piet Bouma The Netherlands So basicly the pictures that has the total view is wrong then? damn I thought they all could droop like that BUt if one is down the other one is level then? Greetz STB Frederick Jacobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boness Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Fred, first, its looking better every time I come check. second, my dad used to work on RF-4C, would you like me to ask him about the control surfaces drooping tomorow for you??? jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stusbke Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 Fred, first, its looking better every time I come check. second, my dad used to work on RF-4C, would you like me to ask him about the control surfaces drooping tomorow for you??? jim thanx and yes that would be great thank you? Greetz STB Frederick Jacobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boness Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Got ahold of the old man tonight, he said that the flaps would drop to the stops, and if the alerons were offset, the one that is down would stay down, and the one that is up would drop a little, the most he ever saw was it dropping to level with the wing. jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete63 Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Hi! You can watch the ailerons yourself - have a look at this one: http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0433...QRFP&photo_nr=3 One up - the other one down (for a coordinated turn in combination with rudder deflection)... Cheers! Piet Bouma The Netherlands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 I was indeed happy to see the parts "for real" and have to say that this is indeed a very well-done job! BTW, there were other very nice in-progress LSP kits : Corsair EA-7L, Navy Flanker, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chek Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Phantom ailerons aren't quite the same as conventional ones on most aircraft. The outer ailerons have a 29 degree down, 1 degree up amount of travel, and on later models ('J' onwards), they're inter-connected to droop with the flaps for landing. This may apply to slatted wings also, but I'm not absolutely certain of that*. Frequently, both ailerons droop after power is off, although not usually the inner flaps. The wingtop spoilers provide the differential for roll control, and in the F-4F photo seen in the Airliners net link above, the starboard one can be seen raised just forward of the right aileron. *Edit addition: only the later naval Phantoms have the drooping ailerons - The J, K, N, and the slat-wing S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stusbke Posted June 27, 2006 Author Share Posted June 27, 2006 Phantom ailerons aren't quite the same as conventional ones on most aircraft. The outer ailerons have a 29 degree down, 1 degree up amount of travel, and on later models ('J' onwards), they're inter-connected to droop with the flaps for landing. This may apply to slatted wings also, but I'm not absolutely certain of that. Frequently, both ailerons droop after power is off, although not usually the inner flaps. The wingtop spoilers provide the differential for roll control, and in the F-4F photo seen in the Airliners net link above, the starboard one can be seen raised just forward of the right aileron. So what you are saying is that the set up is possible? Greetz STB Frederick Jacobs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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