AlbertD
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You sir are an artist. It all looks amazing.
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1 hour ago, Cicchino said:
Sitting pondering the stash and looking at Göring’s D.vii from WNW. Would anyone know if the white was applied over the standard factory lozenge or was it a special scheme painted directly at the factory like Richthofen’s DR.1.
all thoughts and opinions most welcome!
regards
Cicchino
10 minutes ago, John1 said:That’s funny, I vaguely recall reading somewhere that his aircraft came from the factory in overall white.
I knew I read it somewhere. It's on the painting and markings page of the kit instructions.
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1 hour ago, Cicchino said:
Sitting pondering the stash and looking at Göring’s D.vii from WNW. Would anyone know if the white was applied over the standard factory lozenge or was it a special scheme painted directly at the factory like Richthofen’s DR.1.
all thoughts and opinions most welcome!
regards
Cicchino
4 minutes ago, John1 said:That’s funny, I vaguely recall reading somewhere that his aircraft came from the factory in overall white.
That is funny. My understanding is the fabric had the patern on it before they applied it to the plane. There are several photos of tne plane on the WnW website. I don't know if it shows it well enough to be sure.
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48 minutes ago, Cicchino said:
Sitting pondering the stash and looking at Göring’s D.vii from WNW. Would anyone know if the white was applied over the standard factory lozenge or was it a special scheme painted directly at the factory like Richthofen’s DR.1.
all thoughts and opinions most welcome!
regards
Cicchino
I forget where from but I read that it came from the factory with the standard lozenge scheme and was painted over in the field just like MvR's red triplane. I have this kit too and was thinking of having lozenge a little visible under the white. It would add a little more interest to the plain white paint.
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3 hours ago, mpk said:
My reason to be cheerful is this. It looks like I won't have my foot amputated. Such a relief. One more operation in 3 weeks and it should be sweet.
That news makes my day. Keeping positive makes a difference and you never seemed to dwell on it and get you down.
- mpk and Rockie Yarwood
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38 minutes ago, thierry laurent said:
Some color pictures of wartime artefacts from a wreck have been published on the web. I saved them somewhere. They clearly show the salmon color use.
I found those a couple of hours ago and they are very interesting. It crashed mid 1943 and was a birdcage Corsair too.
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22 minutes ago, Jennings Heilig said:
Colorized photos are no more reliable than b&w photos for color interpretation. They’re just the opinion of the person doing the colorizer.
I agree. I think too many people depend on colorized photos.
In further research it looks like the yellow primer may have been put on top of the red primer on exposed surfaces like the wings and fuselage. I'll keep looking. This is fun.
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1 hour ago, Jennings Heilig said:
No surface visible from the outside would have been left in the primer - either the salmon color or yellow ZC.
And keep in mind that very few things are all or nothing. It's entirely possible that part of one airplane may have had salmon primer, while another (built by a contractor) may have had yellow ZC. For example, all Corsair outer wings, whether Vought, Brewster, or Goodyear, were built by Briggs Industries in Detroit.
Thank you for the information. In Mr. Bells book he said the most of the early war Corsairs used the salmon color primer but all the colorized photos show wing chipping with yellow under the blue/grey. Is this just a misinterpretation? I have never seen an example of a real airplane photo or a model showing pink under wing chipping. There has to be some reference that shows it one way or the other. I'm not sure I trust colorized WW 2 photos.
I'm sure all this has been talked about on here before so if I'm bringing up an old subject I apologize.
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You sure know how to build a great looking model. The paint job looks like a very effective camouflage.
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Beautiful model and really great pictures.
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Set it aside for a couple of days and give it a fresh look later. You can't give up on it after all that great work. The masks do take some practice for sure. A paint mule will give you something to practice on without worrying about it. I have a old wing that has been through about every experiment you could think of and it's a great learning tool.
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I find if I have low expectations I'm rarely disappointed. I'll know what it is when I see it with my own eyes.
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I just answered part of my question. On page 14 vol 1 of Mr. Bells book e says "Most components were finished with a top coat of red-tinted zinc chromate primer until mid-1943, when two coats of untinted yellow zinc chromate primer were substituted."
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I'm currently planning my next build, a Tamiya 1/32 Birdcage Corsair. According to the Dana Bell book the early machines used salmon pink primer. He also states that the wheel wells were light grey over the primer. Would the inside of the landing gear doors be left salmon? Also, what about the inside of the engine cowl, engine mounts and other structural parts? It seems to me that if they were using salmon pink it would be used everywhere bare primer would show.
One thing I find a bit strange is when you see color (or colorized) photos of early Corsairs all the chipping on the wings shows yellow zinc chromate primer. It's all very confusing to me. I plan to try two layer chipping to show primer and bare metal on the high traffic areas and engine access panels where appropriate.
Thanks for any help. I plan to do a build log if you guys are not tired of Corsair builds. I'm sure I'll need some help along the way.
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Will the market drop out if Meng starts pressing kits with the WNW molds? I've noticed the the price of the Meng Dr. I is already dropping somewhat.
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Thank you all for your kind words and encouragement.
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3 hours ago, Anthony in NZ said:
Thoroughly enjoyed this build from start to finish!
You have done a masterful job and one to be very proud, you showed us some great pointers along the way which will (and have already) be a great help on my Brit Phantom build.
Well done Al, I would be hugely proud of that. I bet it looks imposing and impressive in real life as it is a BIG aeroplane. The fuselage is as big as my 24th Mosquito fuselage!
Cheers
Anthony
I had plenty of help from you all on the forum. It gave me plenty of new things to try and build skills on. Its far from perfect but I'm happy with it. It is a big model and will be displayed with my next build, a Tamiya F4U-1 Birdcage Corsair also in USMC markings. I started on a 1/48 version of the Corsair to learn chipping and salt weathering. As soon as that one is done I'll start on the big one. I will probably do a build log for that too. Unless of course you guys have seen enough Corsairs.
Your Brit Phantom is of a much higher level than mine. I used a bunch of aftermarket which needed fitting but nowhere near as involved and challenging as you build with extensive modifications. I'm not sure I have the patience to go that far.
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Lucky young man. Next you need to get him started building his own. We need next generation modelers.
- Rockie Yarwood and mpk
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Exhaust stains look about perfect Chuck. I also really like the exhaust manifolds. They have a very convincing texture and color. Was the chipping on the prop and spinner done with hairspray? I just tried hairspray chipping for the first time today using MRP lacquer and it worked great. Way more controllable and natural looking than water based acrylics.
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This one is finally finished. It was a really good learning experience with plenty of firsts for me. The kit is overall really nice with some exceptions. In general the fit is good and would build up into a nice model from the box but we modelers have a hard time leaving well enough alone. The weakest spots I see are the kit intakes, canopies and engines. This one has an Aires cockpit set, GT intakes, Eduard Brassen engines and weapons, AOA decals and probably a couple of things I'm forgetting. Most of the painting is done with MRP and oils for weathering. This is by far the biggest modeling project I have taken on and it gives me confidence to tackle other big projects. I had a bunch of help from many people on the forum who I thank very much.
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Outstanding. Congratulations on a beautiful build. I know exactly what you mean about wanting to get it done at the end of a long haul. Can’t wait for the CF-104.