Pfuf Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I almost finish a group build on Large scale modeller.http://forum.largescalemodeller.com/topic/460-dragon-bf-109e-3-uffz-heinz-grabow/http://forum.largescalemodeller.com/topic/459-eduard-bf-109e-4-wnr5344-maj-helmut-wick/And so I start this very promissing kit I will get over to the Tomcat when the zacto intakes are ready.So I made a start with the gunner chair lol did not notice there are two of those needed so one more to do at some detail not knowing if it is realy visible.I made a back with Magic sculp for the first time so I think I need a bit more practice lol.I have a question I have seen photos of the gunner seat all with out arm rest was this practice or need the arm rest to be on the seat?.Johan bos Saber 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad64 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'll be watching this one Johan, as I have started mine as well. Hope to pick up some tips from you. What scheme are you doing? Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planeart Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Good luck with it Pfuf! I am sure it can be built as a masterpiece cos 32nd scale is really demanding!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek B Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) High Johan The P-61B Technical Manual shows the gunners compartment seat as having no arms attached to it. I am still looking for more period photographs of the P-61A and B, as well as the C, just to confirm that the design had not changed. However, on the balance of evidence, I would say that both the gunner and radio operator compartment seat had arm rests installed. HTH Derek (I had some pictures, but had trouble down loading them - It looks like arm rests were the norm. Iain, good seat references!). Edited April 19, 2013 by Derek B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 (edited) According to refs I have to hand at the mo: P-61A and B - Pilot's seat - Warren McArthur Model 221A P-61C - Pilot's seat - Warren McArthur Model 221B (difference being that this could be tilted back to facilitate pilot entry). All models - Gunner's seat - Warren McArthur Model 222 F-15 - Pilots seat - Warren McArthur Model D-347 F-15 - Co-Pilots seat - Warren McArthur Model SK-2289 Haven't tried looking these refs numbers up yet to see if there's anything online specific to these seats - but above may help. Photo ref I have of gunners seat agrees with Derek - there's a frame - but no rests as such. However I also have a photo of the same seat type in the R/O's position that shows arm rests attached to the frame - I suspect they may have been removable? Iain Edited April 19, 2013 by 32SIG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Peterpools Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Johan Totally excited about your start and will be following with great interest. Keep 'em coming :popcorn: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 cOOL Johan!! I'll gladly be following along.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfuf Posted April 19, 2013 Author Share Posted April 19, 2013 Thx for the information I go for the arm rest, cleaning so many little detail I think to spray a base coat of Crome so its easy to weather the floor and so on. Johan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firecaptain Posted April 22, 2013 Share Posted April 22, 2013 Black Widow builders.......anyone think or know if the cockpit will fit if the fuselage halves are glued up first? (don't want to make a bad mistake) Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacksdad64 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Black Widow builders.......anyone think or know if the cockpit will fit if the fuselage halves are glued up first? (don't want to make a bad mistake) Thanks Very much doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firecaptain Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Very much doubt it. Thanks....Missing the use of a third hand.....trying with tape and "slipping" in the floor at different angles....hoped someone had tried it with success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pfuf Posted April 26, 2013 Author Share Posted April 26, 2013 Hi Yesterday I finish most of the little parts for the cockpit and radar pit.and so many parts gave it a alclad coat chrome so not all parts get weather but it easer to just spray everything in one go and some of the radar control boxes need not all to be black when I see the restoration photos of the P61....Have funJohan bos Iain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotsman Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Man that's a lot of painting!- looking good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cees Broere Posted April 26, 2013 Share Posted April 26, 2013 Just do not rely on these restoration pictures too much, it will fly so differences are bound To occur during restoration. Cees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark64 Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 Thats a good painting start. Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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