BobN Posted March 30, 2023 Share Posted March 30, 2023 Good Morning all, I have multiple references and have some conflicting statements. Mainly I am trying to nail down if the Chevron 58 was visible on Red 4. I have seen refences saying it didn't show up until it sat as a wreck after the war. Is there any definitive statement on this topic. Also, I have seen where the work number was white on one side and black on the other. Is this accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Hey Bob the chevron 58 was there in white but painted over. If the top of the vert stab was painted green , the Wn would likely have been white. hth Gazzas, Stefano, Furie and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furie Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 (edited) FalkeEins - the Luftwaffe blog: Search results for jv 44 Focke Wulf Fw 190D-11 170933? "Red 4" Platzschutzschwarm JV 44. - Real World Aviation - Infinite Flight Community There are not many pictures of the FW190 D-11 "Red 4"... The Wnr is indeed white on the right side. There is every chance that it is also painted white on the left side. The last photo I posted is from April 27, 1945, so one would think that the paint has not had time to fade and that the "<58" was visible during its operational life Until proven otherwise! On the other hand its W.Nr was not 170933 but W.Nr 220XXX. (maybe WNr 220010) Edited March 31, 2023 by Furie Alain Gadbois and LSP_K2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furie Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I think that since on the photo one sees well the headrest with the enveloping "fairing", one can deduce that the sliding canopy was "domed" and not "flat" (contrary to the color profiles). It's an assumption, I'm not sure, but it seems logical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I provided Crandall with a photo from my collection revealing that Red 4 did have a blown canopy. See Volume 2 page 76 from his two part Dora books. Mark Proulx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furie Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Are you talking about Jerry Crandall's "Eagle Files" collection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 No. His two volume hard cover titles. Mark Proulx LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furie Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I thought you were referring to this book or a volume 2 of this book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 No. Jerry wrote two, very extensive hard cover books on the Fw 190 D series. Red 4 is showcased in Vol 2 of that set, including an updated color profile based on available information at the time. The above is the first EagleFile from Eagle Editions. There were subsequent titles in that series (EF) pertaining to other WW2 aviation subjects. I can't comment on availability of any of the above, but a look at the EE website would provide some answers. Mark Proulx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobN Posted April 1, 2023 Author Share Posted April 1, 2023 Thank you all for your responses to my question... They are much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 3 hours ago, BobN said: Thank you all for your responses to my question... They are much appreciated. The books Mark mentioned can be found on Amazon, but the asking prices are quite unrealistically enormous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Again, check out the EE web site. They MIGHT have a few Volume 2 remaining. Yes, they do command some high prices on the secondary market.... Likely the same for the JaPo Dora titles as well. Mark Proulx LSP_K2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Citadelgrad Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 On 4/1/2023 at 9:47 AM, Mark P said: Again, check out the EE web site. They MIGHT have a few Volume 2 remaining. Yes, they do command some high prices on the secondary market.... Likely the same for the JaPo Dora titles as well. Mark Proulx I bought Volume 2 directly from EE, it was not cheap but the cheapest price i could find at the time. I am glad i have it, several future projects, including Gallands 262, are within that volume. Mark P 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradG Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 A nice pic of red 4 from the front. Furie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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