EvilCarrot Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 While looking for a subject to build for the 100 year anniversary ot the RAF I came across the awesome 112 Squadron color schemes for the P-40 Tomahawk. Problem is all of the decal sets seem to be for the MKIIb while the Trumpy is an "a" variant. From what I've read it would need some mounting points and a couple of extra guns in the wings. I was wondering if there are any conversion sets out there (couldn't find any on Scalemates) and if there are any other things that need to be changed. (apart from errors on the kit) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeMaben Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 The kit is a P-40b or MkIIa . 112 Squadron flew the P-40C or MIIb. From what I've read, the only difference was the British MkIIb had 4 .303s in the wings instead of 30 caliber U.S. guns. hth EvilCarrot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waroff Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Curiously, in the handbook of H81a, at the armament chapter it was wrote: "4 x .30 COLT MG40. On the factory drawing about the wing guns installation of H81A, A1 & A2, these wing guns had same caption and the nomenclature specifies: ammo: 2000rds .30 with links, guns: 4 .30 COLT MG40.H81A2 Tomahawk IIb had a shackle with sway braces under fuselage to carry a 52 gal drop tank or bombthe Tomahawk instrument panel was different than P40B or C EvilCarrot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bellis Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 The P-40B = Tomahawk Mk.IIa, the Brit version having Brit equipment and .303 armament. The P-40C = Tomahawk Mk.IIb, and was externally the same as the B/IIa except for adding equipment for carrying a drop tank. I don't remember if the Trumpeter kit includes drop tank parts or not? HTH, D EvilCarrot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilCarrot Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 Thanks for your input, so in summary: - I'd need a British .303 set of guns barrels, Master Model seems to do a nice set of those - The cockpit may need to be changed, won't bother with that. I'll try and make what I have look nice, won't see much of it any way. - For the drop tank I'd assume if it wasn't installed on a mission, the braces wouldn't be installed either? I was looking into maybe trying to fit the drop tank from the Hasegawa P-40N but the tank seems to be of a different type than the one that went on the C MikeMaben 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1to1scale Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) The Trumpy P-40 is a nice building kit, if you are not worried about the panel, then leave the shallow floor alone. And if you don't plan to open the engine cowling, just assemble the basic engine and paint it all flat black, you can't see anything on the bottom of the engine anyway. I spent days painting and detailing the engine, then closed it all up. Check this site out, they have nice drawings of the drop tank. http://www.p40warhawk.com/Models/Technical/Technical.htm Edited March 16, 2018 by 1to1scale coogrfan, MikeMaben and EvilCarrot 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scimitarf1 Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Pertinent thread for me I just bought this kit to build and compared it to the 'scanned' Airfix kit and it matches well enough for me. The one thing I do want to fix is the cockpit. I accept I am never going to find a Cutting Edge set. Can anyone recommend an alternative? Does the Eduard set work? Many thanks in advance Will EvilCarrot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Part has a nice set to fix the cockpit. Just add a thin sheet of plastic under the photoetched side parts to ease assembly. EvilCarrot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilCarrot Posted March 16, 2018 Author Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) Got the Eduard sets with the kit so I'm going to stick with those. Are the Part ones more accurate? I do notice Eduard does nothing to fix the floor, only adds more detail to it. Edited March 16, 2018 by EvilCarrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Have a look here: https://www.super-hobby.com/products/P-40B-Tomahawk-Trumpeter.html The set gives parts to correct the sides and the floor. EvilCarrot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waroff Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) The P-40B = Tomahawk Mk.IIa, the Brit version having Brit equipment and .303 armament. I'm interested by a official source for .303 fitted on H81A, A1& A2. Do you know where can I find this? I found these detail in the "handbook of the service & maintenance of the H81A airplane - Curtiss"(IWM collection) As you can see, it was wrote ".303" one time on diagram drawing in the handbook, and ".30" four time(1 in the handbook and 3 on the drawing. Is there 1 error or 4? Handbook: Drawing 81-60-204 for H81A's (for P 40, P40B& C, the drawings were 81-69-002 & 602) below, the gun muzzles, P40 top, H81 bottom the holes in the sleeves were oval(P40) or round(H81) Edited March 16, 2018 by waroff EvilCarrot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Bellis Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 Is there 1 error or 4? No errors. The US used the Browning M1919 in .30 caliber, the Brits used the the same weapon chambered for their .303 caliber ammo. More here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1919_Browning_machine_gun#Browning_.303_Mark_II HTH, D EvilCarrot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waroff Posted March 16, 2018 Share Posted March 16, 2018 (edited) Thanks, but I look for a .303 installation on H81 as on H75A4(there is a technical drawing which show .303 installation on A4 wing)US never use H81 but P40 only. H81 was build for foreign customers.according what I read, H81 seems delivered to british with .30, but it could be possible these guns were removed & remplaced by .303, but is there a document which prove it? Edited March 16, 2018 by waroff EvilCarrot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilCarrot Posted March 17, 2018 Author Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) The few close up photographs I've found seem to indicate both type of guns were used. I bought the .303 barrels from Master for my kit. If it's wrong, too bad, doesn't look like anyone will knows for sure. It's quite funny, I asked these questions because I was a bit worried I'd be building a completely inaccurate variant. Now by NOT getting all straight answers I feel more confident about building it. Not trying to mock anyone here, all of your answers are much appreciated. Edited March 17, 2018 by EvilCarrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Ray Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Part Cockpit PE detail set. One of my first reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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