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Hi,

When I bought this book by Squadron years ago, I really liked the A-20 Havoc on the cover and planned to do it one day.

Nowadays, the new HKM kit is flirting with me. However, despite my research, I could not find another picture of this Havoc. Therefore, the sqd code letter on the Rudder and the serial on the tail are unknown. There isn't even any clue.
In my research, I saw that this A-20 belonged to the 90th BS of the 3rd BG in New Guinea, or it most likely belonged to it. But even this is insufficient for the missing details.
I can somehow make Shark mouth with a mask, but the code number issue is a mystery. It seems like an option to drive rivet counters crazy by using tail codes as J, P or X.
I would like to know your opinions on this subject

Thanks in advance

 

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Posted

Right, the description of the cover image states 3rd bomb group, 90th bomber squadron. I'd try searching for the 3rd bomb group, and see where that leads you.

 

I always fancied doing that one as well, but in 1:48 scale.

 

 

 

Posted
15 minutes ago, LSP_K2 said:

Right, the description of the cover image states 3rd bomb group, 90th bomber squadron. I'd try searching for the 3rd bomb group, and see where that leads you.

 

I always fancied doing that one as well, but in 1:48 scale.

 

 

 

 

Thanks Kevin

Posted (edited)

Some others options in the 90th BS, 3rd BG. Nearly all displayed a sharkmouth.
I had the opportunity to exchange a few messages with author Lawrence J Hickey, back in the 90s, but unfortunately, vol.2 of his 3rd BG study isn't yet published... https://irandpcorp.com/products/3bg1/

I have saved about 20 pics of 90thBS A-20 but don't know if some decals have been released in 1/32...

PM me if needed.

Another source of info would be Pacific Profiles #3, but I don't have it...

https://www.hyperscale.com/2022/reviews/books/pacificprofilesvol3bookreviewdc_1.htm

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Posted
12 minutes ago, Martinnfb said:

better resolution

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From author Lawrence Hickey, back in 2008, answering to my questions about that A-20 : <I do have info on "Barry's Baby," which was one of two marked with nose art relating to the INS (International News Service) personnel who visited the 90th SQ, probably sometime in early 1944.(...) The shark's mouth was not a marking on a particular A-20, it was on all the 90th SQ A-20s until about the late-spring of 1944.>

Posted
10 hours ago, GeeBee said:

Some others options in the 90th BS, 3rd BG. Nearly all displayed a sharkmouth.
I had the opportunity to exchange a few messages with author Lawrence J Hickey, back in the 90s, but unfortunately, vol.2 of his 3rd BG study isn't yet published... https://irandpcorp.com/products/3bg1/

I have saved about 20 pics of 90thBS A-20 but don't know if some decals have been released in 1/32...

PM me if needed.

Another source of info would be Pacific Profiles #3, but I don't have it...

https://www.hyperscale.com/2022/reviews/books/pacificprofilesvol3bookreviewdc_1.htm

 

9 hours ago, Kagemusha said:

Kevin reviewed the book below here, might have some useful information included.

 

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8 hours ago, Martinnfb said:

Might not be the same aeroplane, but... :)

 A-20G-20-DO "Barry's Baby" , # 42-86768

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8 hours ago, GeeBee said:

From author Lawrence Hickey, back in 2008, answering to my questions about that A-20 : <I do have info on "Barry's Baby," which was one of two marked with nose art relating to the INS (International News Service) personnel who visited the 90th SQ, probably sometime in early 1944.(...) The shark's mouth was not a marking on a particular A-20, it was on all the 90th SQ A-20s until about the late-spring of 1944.>

 

8 hours ago, LSP_K2 said:

Nothing specific to the aircraft in question, but cool anyway.

 

90th Attack Squadron

 

 

Thanks for your replies.

I realize I won't be able to find enough information about this specific A20. But it looks like I'll eventually build it somehow. I think I can use the "P" code on the tail, slightly change the serial number in the details Martin gave, and be done. Just don't blame me when I do this.:innocent:

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Posted (edited)
On 3/28/2024 at 4:12 AM, Tolga ULGUR said:

I realize I won't be able to find enough information about this specific A20. But it looks like I'll eventually build it somehow. I think I can use the "P" code on the tail, slightly change the serial number in the details Martin gave, and be done. Just don't blame me when I do this.:innocent:

Did you start @Tolga ULGUR?  Keeping in mind that this is a cannon armed A-20G-1-DO, a LOT of work must go into it unless HK Models releases an A-20C for you to take the fuselage from as the Martin turret wasn't added until the A-20G-20-DO batch. 

Since I L❤️VE sharkmouth schemes, I have quite a lot of information on these and I plan on making my A-20G-1-DO as Amorous Amazon:

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Some sketches I made to help me.  NOTE:  The nacelles were to have rear aimed .30 Cal guns (in one document) for the first 250 built.  However, there were only 248 A-20G-1-DO built and I haven't found any photographs showing the barrel opening or the gun access panel but I drew it anyway to look for it.

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Posted
15 hours ago, Sharkmouth said:

Did you start @Tolga ULGUR?  Keeping in mind that this is a cannon armed A-20G-1-DO, a LOT of work must go into it unless HK Models releases an A-20C for you to take the fuselage from as the Martin turret wasn't added until the A-20G-20-DO batch. 

Since I L❤️VE sharkmouth schemes, I have quite a lot of information on these and I plan on making my A-20G-1-DO as Amorous Amazon:

A-20GAmorousAmazon417BG.jpg

 

Some sketches I made to help me.  NOTE:  The nacelles were to have rear aimed .30 Cal guns (in one document) for the first 250 built.  However, there were only 248 A-20G-1-DO built and I haven't found any photographs showing the barrel opening or the gun access panel but I drew it anyway to look for it.

A-20G01.jpg

 

No, I haven't started yet.

Thanks a lot for the details.

Probably I'll build the following

 

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Posted
4 hours ago, Tolga ULGUR said:

 

No, I haven't started yet.

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 Gun of glass nose?  I am putting together some references for the F-3A recon variant which was only built on the A-20J/K. I will e posting it for the fans of reconnaissance like @ReccePhreak.

 

Anyway, if you are not using the gun nose, and are in the US, I'd like to buy it from you so I don't have to scratch-build the nose for Amorous Amazon.

 

 

Posted
1 hour ago, Sharkmouth said:

 Gun of glass nose?  I am putting together some references for the F-3A recon variant which was only built on the A-20J/K. I will e posting it for the fans of reconnaissance like @ReccePhreak.

 

Anyway, if you are not using the gun nose, and are in the US, I'd like to buy it from you so I don't have to scratch-build the nose for Amorous Amazon.

 

 

 

This is not glass nose

It looks like a std G-20

 

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Posted (edited)

Butch is an A-20G-35-DO.  Also on my to do list! Nice choice!

 

I did find a port view of Barry's Baby.  She was an A-20G-20-DO with the turret but not the full clear wingtips introduced with the A-20G-25-DO.   The differences in marking on both sides are quite interesting for the HK A-20 over Europe kit since it has the early cowlings seen here yet doesn't offer the full clear wingtips:

!A-20G Barrys INS Baby P of the 90th BS 3rd BG 02.jpg

 

The other sketch I made to help document physical changes:

A-20G02.jpg

 

I don't know how deep into detailing you go with your models but this is a thread I added to showing things I will add to my AMT kit since I prefer 48th scale:

 

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