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1/32 B-17/B-24 aftermarket .50 small ammo can?


thierry laurent

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Hi, 

 

Does anybody know if that type of small ammunition box has ever been released in 1/32 scale? Photoetched/resin/plastic? 

 

https://www.ima-usa.com/products/original-u-s-wwii-b-17-b-24-aircraft-50-cal-30-round-ammunition-box-with-inert-rounds

 

I do not remember having ever seen them whereas it looks it was actually a standard type used for .50. Was it the same type used for the nose or waist machine guns of early types of US bombers? Kits typically give large boxes with ammo belts whereas I didn't seen that on early war pictures.

 

One example:

 

http://legendsintheirowntime.com/LiTOT/B17/B17_waistguns.html

 

Thierry

 

 

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Hi Dennis,

 

You're right, there are two small shelves containing three of such ammo cans in the B-17E/F kit. I had not see them before. As it looks only one is required in the nose, it is probably possible to cut the remaining shelf to rebuild individual cans for the two waist M2 guns. They are very basic but this is better than nothing!

 

It looks the old Verlinden diorama showing a section of a B-17 with two waist gunners also has the same ammo box. Unfortunately, I had a look and it seems to be oversized. Moreover that set is OOP and only a single box is included!

 

Too bad nobody considered them. By the way, I'm surprised Eduard did not include them in their B-17 sets.

 

Thierry

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The ammo cans you are looking at are from different sources. The small one, which held 30 rounds was a standard military issue item. The larger one, seen on the B-17 waist guns, was a Boeing item and held 100 rounds. These cans were originally used before the advent of the flex chutes. Once those became more readily available, these fixed cans were eliminated. The metal cans were heavy and awkward and quickly fell out of favor. The larger one was specifically designed to be used for the B-17 waist gun, two were provided in a rack just forward of the gun. I have some photos and illustrations, just have to figure out how to post them ;)!

EDIT: Okay, here we go. First illustration is from the B-17F Dash 1 showing the two ammo cans provided for the waist guns. There were two on each side.

 

Next photo shows the two cans and the difference in size.

 

Boeing engineering drawing showing their can.

 

And finally, the military issue can.

 

 

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Time to revive this thread! With the proliferation of 3D printing since we last visited this topic, I thought I would bring it back up, especially because I need a bunch of the smaller cans! I've got the Eduard set, but they are quite fiddly. And I need at least 7 of them, and Eduard only has 6.

 

Anyone seen these around yet?

 

- Dennis S.

   Mount Juliet, TN USA

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I could make that....

Give me a week or so to model it up, then I'll post it and try printing it.

 

Edit: a funny thing I just noticed - the box in the linked phots is made by Armco, the same manufacturer of the revetment walls I'm working on for Bill Cross. Those are nearly done, just having trouble getting the last parts to print correctly.

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On 6/16/2023 at 5:01 PM, BiggTim said:

I could make that....

Give me a week or so to model it up, then I'll post it and try printing it.

 

Edit: a funny thing I just noticed - the box in the linked phots is made by Armco, the same manufacturer of the revetment walls I'm working on for Bill Cross. Those are nearly done, just having trouble getting the last parts to print correctly.

 

Tim, the world gets smaller every day :-)

 

I'm curious, too, if you would be willing to take a crack at the small, portable green oxygen cylinders? The only place I've ever been able to source them is in a set from Master Details, which are now impossible to find. I need about 20 of those suckers for several projects :-p Brownie points if you can mold them inside the cradle, too!

 

It's the green bottle present in this photo, compliments of my friends over at Hangar Thirteen:

 

 

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- Dennis S.

   Mount Juliet, TN USA

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Model them, yes, easily. Reproduce them, maybe. To be honest, my biggest imitation right now is my 3D printer. It's getting old, and its quality is lacking compared to the newer 8k printers, so it struggles to print small things like that well. I've already attempted to print the ammo boxes twice, with only limited success. Once printed, casting them is easy, quick, and pretty cheap.

 

I'll add it to my list of things to model up, though I may have to enlist the help of someone with a better printer until I can afford to upgrade. Do you have any reference drawings with dimensional info on them?

 

T

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1 minute ago, BiggTim said:

Model them, yes, easily. Reproduce them, maybe. To be honest, my biggest imitation right now is my 3D printer. It's getting old, and its quality is lacking compared to the newer 8k printers, so it struggles to print small things like that well. I've already attempted to print the ammo boxes twice, with only limited success. Once printed, casting them is easy, quick, and pretty cheap.

 

I'll add it to my list of things to model up, though I may have to enlist the help of someone with a better printer until I can afford to upgrade. Do you have any reference drawings with dimensional info on them?

 

T

 

That all makes perfect sense.

 

I'll check with my guy at Hangar Thirteen, I'm sure he's got some references for them. I'll keep you posted.

 

- Dennis S.

   Mount Juliet, TN USA

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5 hours ago, BiggTim said:

Do you have any reference drawings with dimensional info on them?

 

T

 

I have the dimensions for the small bottles at least. They are 7-5/8 tall,  5-1/4 diameter. The regulator on top of the bottle is 5-15/16 tall by 3-13/32 wide and 2-1/8 thick. All measurements in inches.

 

- Dennis S.

   Mount Juliet, TN USA

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