F-104 questions about low level flying

[mark31]

Hello i have two F-104s in the stasch one will be in Belgium colors

The other one will be a German marine flieger

Now i whant to built that one in flight and whas thinking to make a base when he is at low level flying to attack a schip(training)

 

Now how low will the go over the sea with good wheater?

Are we talking over 100 feet maybe less?

 

Anny tips of idees are welcome

 

I have seen pics from other F-104 low level above land in the good old days at maybe 30 feet

 

Thanks Mark

 

 

[Hardcore]

If you want to give an impression of speed the base should be just a blur of colors in the direction of travel.

[mark31]

thanks but its also to have a idee how high i have to put the model from the base.

 

Maybe its the pilot thats take the desicion on how low can i go.

 

 

Mark

[Jack]

I have seen pics from other F-104 low level above land in the good old days at maybe 30 feet

 

Thanks Mark

 

Mark, i think you might be mistaken by that number "30", either it being feet or meters, because the F104 didn't have terrain following radar (like the Tornado) and it would have been very tricky to exercise such a low level flight, but maybe it would have gone down on the deck in wartime, but surely not in peace time.

What the picture you saw probably showed was a practise bombing run-in on a shooting range....(like the "Pampa" range near Kleine Brogel)

Edited January 17, 2017 by Jack

[Martinnfb]

Low level attack runs in the 104 were done visually at 100 feet AGL and at speeds up to 600 kn. Low level evasive maneuvers could increase speeds to supersonic.^[13]

Source

[Jack]

 

Low level attack runs in the 104 were done visually at 100 feet AGL and at speeds up to 600 kn. Low level evasive maneuvers could increase speeds to supersonic.^[13]

Source

 

 

Well i stand corrected, that could explain the "30", so in metres then, you were right Mark!!

[dora9]

I remember when I was in Germany back in the 70's, and saw Canadian 104s chasing other planes at a really low altitude around 200 to 300ft.

 

It was amazing!

[Finn]

It also depends on what weapons the 104 intended to deploy, for bombs they would need time to arm before hitting the target, too low and they wouldn't go boom or hit the water if really low. 

 

Jari

[Guest Airfixer]

If my mind serves me well...

 

Standard Marineflieger F-104G low-level profile (over sea):

200 ft/day, 500 ft/night, crusising speed 450 knots, maximum 540 knots.

Turns at 60° bank (minimum).

 

Minimum as per Mil AIP:

100 ft (cross sea, horizont visible, radar-/radio altimeter ON), 450-540 knots

 

During peacetime operations, 100 ft would have been the absolute minimum.

Marineflieger F-104 would have been normally equipped with sea-skimming Kormoran 1 or Kormoran 2 missiles.

 

Erik

Edited January 17, 2017 by Airfixer

[fastzx]

Obligatory F104 video

 

Touch roll touch!

 

 

Jon

[Michael931080]

Maybe to give it some added effect make it banking left or right with some deflection in the control surfaces.  This will really make it seem more than a "stationary" kit over blurred surface.

 

Just a suggestion.

[Guest Clunkmeister]

Canadian 104s had tactical nuke taskings. How the heck do you drop nuclear weapons at low level? It seems like it would be a suicide mission.

Edited January 18, 2017 by Clunkmeister

[mark31]

Thank you all for the info.

I will rethink my idee and will see how I can adshive the effect of hight with the base and model.

Planning is above the see armed with kormoran

 

Mark

[Finn]

Canadian 104s had tactical nuke taskings. How the heck do you drop nuclear weapons at low level? It seems like it would be a suicide mission.

 

Laydown delivery with parachute retarded weapons. Or go in low level, pull up to toss/loft the weapon towards the target. When the CF-104 went to the conventional role, low level was still the way to go. 

 

Jari

[Guest Airfixer]

F-104G Low Altitude Drogue Delivery: http://imgur.com/a/bwLeA