mark31 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Hello i have two F-104s in the stasch one will be in Belgium colors The other one will be a German marine flieger Now i whant to built that one in flight and whas thinking to make a base when he is at low level flying to attack a schip(training) Now how low will the go over the sea with good wheater? Are we talking over 100 feet maybe less? Anny tips of idees are welcome I have seen pics from other F-104 low level above land in the good old days at maybe 30 feet Thanks Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardcore Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 If you want to give an impression of speed the base should be just a blur of colors in the direction of travel. mark31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark31 Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 thanks but its also to have a idee how high i have to put the model from the base. Maybe its the pilot thats take the desicion on how low can i go. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) I have seen pics from other F-104 low level above land in the good old days at maybe 30 feet Thanks Mark Mark, i think you might be mistaken by that number "30", either it being feet or meters, because the F104 didn't have terrain following radar (like the Tornado) and it would have been very tricky to exercise such a low level flight, but maybe it would have gone down on the deck in wartime, but surely not in peace time. What the picture you saw probably showed was a practise bombing run-in on a shooting range....(like the "Pampa" range near Kleine Brogel) Edited January 17, 2017 by Jack mark31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Low level attack runs in the 104 were done visually at 100 feet AGL and at speeds up to 600 kn. Low level evasive maneuvers could increase speeds to supersonic.[13] Source Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 Low level attack runs in the 104 were done visually at 100 feet AGL and at speeds up to 600 kn. Low level evasive maneuvers could increase speeds to supersonic.[13] Source Well i stand corrected, that could explain the "30", so in metres then, you were right Mark!! mark31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dora9 Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I remember when I was in Germany back in the 70's, and saw Canadian 104s chasing other planes at a really low altitude around 200 to 300ft. It was amazing! mark31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 It also depends on what weapons the 104 intended to deploy, for bombs they would need time to arm before hitting the target, too low and they wouldn't go boom or hit the water if really low. Jari mark31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airfixer Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) If my mind serves me well... Standard Marineflieger F-104G low-level profile (over sea): 200 ft/day, 500 ft/night, crusising speed 450 knots, maximum 540 knots. Turns at 60° bank (minimum). Minimum as per Mil AIP: 100 ft (cross sea, horizont visible, radar-/radio altimeter ON), 450-540 knots During peacetime operations, 100 ft would have been the absolute minimum. Marineflieger F-104 would have been normally equipped with sea-skimming Kormoran 1 or Kormoran 2 missiles. Erik Edited January 17, 2017 by Airfixer mark31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastzx Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Obligatory F104 video Touch roll touch! Jon Swatto and mark31 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael931080 Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Maybe to give it some added effect make it banking left or right with some deflection in the control surfaces. This will really make it seem more than a "stationary" kit over blurred surface. Just a suggestion. mark31 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Clunkmeister Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Canadian 104s had tactical nuke taskings. How the heck do you drop nuclear weapons at low level? It seems like it would be a suicide mission. Edited January 18, 2017 by Clunkmeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark31 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 Thank you all for the info. I will rethink my idee and will see how I can adshive the effect of hight with the base and model. Planning is above the see armed with kormoran Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Canadian 104s had tactical nuke taskings. How the heck do you drop nuclear weapons at low level? It seems like it would be a suicide mission. Laydown delivery with parachute retarded weapons. Or go in low level, pull up to toss/loft the weapon towards the target. When the CF-104 went to the conventional role, low level was still the way to go. Jari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airfixer Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 F-104G Low Altitude Drogue Delivery: http://imgur.com/a/bwLeA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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