Marcel111 Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Hi guys, I‘m about to throw that ARMAMENT rectangle decal on my F-4B. She is loaded with four Sidewinders and a centerline drop tank, does anyone know what weighs would be appropriate? BASIC A/C: FUEL: STORES: TOTAL: Were the weights in fact scribbled on there before every cat launch? Or can I just forget about this detail? Thanks, Marcel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Greengrass Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) Well, there are many variables but taking some numbers from the F-4B NATOPS, F-4B Standard Aircraft Characteristics, F-4B/J Plane Captains Handbook and a McAir Ordnance booklet.... Basic weight 28265 LBS Internal Fuel 13729 LBS C/L Tank Fuel 4094 LBS AIM-9D 186.8 LBS x 4 = 46,835.2 Pounds An Empty C/L tank was 235 LBS (didn't include that above) whilst a Wing Missile Pylon was 146 LBS (though not sure if these would be included in the basic weight). AIM-7E Sparrows were 434.5 LBS each. However, a quick browse through some images would suggest that they didn't always write these all in, many times just the total weight...and sometimes nothing at all... HTH Pete Edited November 22, 2023 by Peter Greengrass easixpedro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel111 Posted November 22, 2023 Author Share Posted November 22, 2023 Thx Pete, super helpful! Marcel Peter Greengrass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel111 Posted November 24, 2023 Author Share Posted November 24, 2023 So I looked closely at one of only two period pics of „201“ (on Coral Sea in 72), turns out she didn’t even have the panel, doh. she also doesn’t have any ejection seat warning triangles, can’t wait for the comments on that when I take the model to a show :-) Cheers, Marcel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Greengrass Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 (edited) Well, it depends on exactly when... here's a couple of pics taken during the cruise. First one by Bill Graham, second by Kevin Pernot Edited November 24, 2023 by Peter Greengrass spelling Marcel111, firefly7, easixpedro and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 Here is one with the overall weight so no need to add up all the numbers: Jari easixpedro, Marcel111, John1 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel111 Posted November 24, 2023 Author Share Posted November 24, 2023 Wow Jari, those are the best period pics of 201 I have seen and I had not seen them before. Here is the pic I was working off of… probably later in the cruise. Also note no ejection seat triangles and yellow corrosion control: I have built her exactly like this, including the yellow corrosion control and corrosion control through the intake national insignia. Cheers, Marcel SwissFighters 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Greengrass Posted November 24, 2023 Share Posted November 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Marcel111 said: Wow Jari, those are the best period pics of 201 I have seen and I had not seen them before. Happy to help, though I don't know who Jari is Here's one from the period your modelling (Jim VanGaasbeck photo) easixpedro, Jim Mason, firefly7 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcel111 Posted November 25, 2023 Author Share Posted November 25, 2023 9 hours ago, Peter Greengrass said: Happy to help, though I don't know who Jari is Here's one from the period your modelling (Jim VanGaasbeck photo) Thanks Peter, and apologies for getting the credit wrong. Really amazing pics! Marcel Peter Greengrass 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Here is another way of marking the weight: Jari Marcel111 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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