skiner Posted January 9, 2013 Share Posted January 9, 2013 WWWoooooow Amazing job Jerry....., Resect and Chapeau bas!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRutman Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 excellent build jerry, just read the whole thing more or less! Should be awesome when it's finished Welcome aboard and thank you! J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRutman Posted January 9, 2013 Author Share Posted January 9, 2013 WWWoooooow Amazing job Jerry....., Resect and Chapeau bas!!!!!! Thanks buddy! J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRutman Posted January 29, 2013 Author Share Posted January 29, 2013 Been messin around a little with this again since I got my new Greymatter parts. I sanded down the other wing and rescribed the panel lines. Problem is,I haven't worked on this in so long that I made the same freekin mistake on the second wing that I made long agao on the first!! I will have to rescribe some lines as they are for the J and not the E versions. Oh well! This time I did remember not to glue the wing top and bottom as I want to add the thin metal strip around the trailing edge that the P-38 was unique in having. It is a lot easier to sandwich a piece of thin alum between the top and bottom than it is fpr what I must do for the first wing. Since it was already welded together I had to engrave a small channel to fit the thin alum into. Not pretty must it must be done! Here is the revell wing with the airelon cut out and rounded at the forward edge with styrene,then rivited and oilcanned. Also removed the trim tab and cut the basic pieces for the thin alum strips. Further back in this thread you can see the rear wing stub with the alum strip added if you are so inclined. Nice to be "home" again working on airplane stuff. Derek B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Diable Rouge Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Wow! I just reviewed this entire build thread...again. Wow! Superlative work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRutman Posted January 30, 2013 Author Share Posted January 30, 2013 Wow! I just reviewed this entire build thread...again. Wow! Superlative work! Well,thankee kindly sir! That must have taken a while as this thread is getting pretty long. I am humbled by the time that you spent. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomprobert Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Great to see you back on this project - the finished model is going to be a masterpiece. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRutman Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 Thanks Tom,for the much needed encouragement!! Anyone know if the E model P-38 had a trim tab on both airelons? Also did it have the fixed trim tabs in addition to the movable ones? I have all kind of conflicting pics and drawings and info. Do we have any P-38 wonks on board? J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p38johnny Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) I replied over on HS, but I will here too. There were controlable tabs on both ailerons on the E-H models, with no fixed tabs on the E. The fixed tabs started with the F model. The controlable tabs were finally deleted on the J-25. I hate to tell you this Jerry, but the leading edge of the aileron didn't curve like other aircraft. It is piano hinged to the wing along the entire top edge, so the transition from wing to aileron was very smooth.John Edited January 31, 2013 by p38johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRutman Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 I replied over on HS, but I will here too. There were controlable tabs on both ailerons on the E-H models, with no fixed tabs. I hate to tell you this Jerry, but the leading edge of the aileron didn't curve like other aircraft. It is piano hinged to the wing along the entire top edge, so the transition from wing to aileron was very smooth. John Aha!! I finally got it through my thick head what you meant on Hyper!! I thought you meant the leading,when viewed from the top,was straight. As my piece IS straight,I was scratching my head. Now I realize that you meant the leading edge is straight when viewed from the side! A right angle. So those tabs I see in the middle of the airelon inside the wing(3 of them maybe?) are the actuator attachments? They would have to be if the surface hinged on the top? So is the opening in the wing for the airelon wider on top than on the bottom? Otherwise,how would the airflow be affected when the control surface is in the up position as there would be a gap? I am trying to grasp the mechanics with my pea brain. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p38johnny Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 (edited) Aha!! I finally got it through my thick head what you meant on Hyper!! I thought you meant the leading,when viewed from the top,was straight. As my piece IS straight,I was scratching my head. Now I realize that you meant the leading edge is straight when viewed from the side! A right angle. So those tabs I see in the middle of the airelon inside the wing(3 of them maybe?) are the actuator attachments? They would have to be if the surface hinged on the top? So is the opening in the wing for the airelon wider on top than on the bottom? Otherwise,how would the airflow be affected when the control surface is in the up position as there would be a gap? I am trying to grasp the mechanics with my pea brain. J If you are looking at the AeroDetail book page 60, those tabs are actually counterweights. There was only one actuator attach point, right in the middle of the aileron beam. No, I believe the opening in the wing was pretty symetrical. Since the aileron was hinged at the top skin, there was a gap on the bottom side when the aileron was up. When it was down, there was enough clearance for the bottom edge of the aileron to move into the aileron well of the wing. There is no airfoil shape to the leading edge of the aileron as on many other aircraft. I am editing my previous post regarding the fixed tabs for the early airplanes. The fixed tabs were introduced with the F model. The E model didn't have them. The controlable tabs disappeared on the J-25 model. John Edited January 31, 2013 by p38johnny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRutman Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 If you are looking at the AeroDetail book page 60, those tabs are actually counterweights. There was only one actuator attach point, right in the middle of the aileron beam. No, I believe the opening in the wing was pretty symetrical. Since the aileron was hinged at the top skin, there was a gap on the bottom side when the aileron was up. When it was down, there was enough clearance for the bottom edge of the aileron to move into the aileron well of the wing. There is no airfoil shape to the leading edge of the aileron as on many other aircraft. I am editing my previous post regarding the fixed tabs for the early airplanes. The fixed tabs were introduced with the F model. The E model didn't have them. The controlable tabs disappeared on the J-25 model. John OK,cool. I was just curious about the actuaters as I won't be showing them anyway. Thanks for clearing up the trim tab deal though. Big help. I will have to cut new alum for the left side and cut the trim tab out of the right. Then remove the curve on he leading edge of my airelon. I hate correcting my own corrections but that's what I deserve for taking such a long intermission on this build. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRutman Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 John, If you are still monitering this thread,I have looked at the pics I have and I can't see the piano hinge. Is it that small or is it maybe recessed? What's the deal? Could I get away with just a straight line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p38johnny Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Look on page 28 of Detail &r Scale Vol. 58 on the late model P-38s. The hinge is set up to be flush, but you could simulate it with a very small diameter piece of sprue or wire set in a shallow groove. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRutman Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 Look on page 28 of Detail &r Scale Vol. 58 on the late model P-38s. The hinge is set up to be flush, but you could simulate it with a very small diameter piece of sprue or wire set in a shallow groove. John Thanks John,I have that tome luckily and will give it a go. Should be an easy fix now that you ell me it's set up to be flush, J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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