KAGNEW Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 beautiful work Menelaos making a nice one Glen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted February 15, 2011 Author Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) TNX Glen, here is some small progress... Edited February 15, 2011 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 (edited) Very nice scratch-building tecniques Menelaos. What a huge beastie! Cheers, Brian Edited February 15, 2011 by Out2gtcha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Thanks Brian... now the bird is primed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 the first pylon is scribed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_Karatzides Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) I build the back cockpit and started building the instruments. Menelaos, as I can see by the pictures, the side panels are made by styrene and later you applied paper on (printed B&W cockpit diagram?) to simulate the detail. If i am not mistaken, same technique repeated on front panel. OK, placing a piece of paper or decal on side & front panel may be enough for 1/72 scale, but the 1/18 scale is big enough and such details could (and should) be simulated 3D. If I was you and had this giant in my hands, I would try different way on cockpit detailing. I know that you've already close the cockpit, but is it too late to try build it again? As you know, cockpit is an eye catcher on aircraft scale models and this Starfighter is not an exception. Please feel free to check the following pictures to understand what I am saying. Panel built by AdriaN (MLT). Edited February 17, 2011 by Nick_Karatzides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104mike Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Hi Nick, are these panels in 1/18, too? They are great. If yes, please tell me, where I can get them. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) These panels look like the ESCI 1:12 Kit... (I have it here...) But iφ they are downscaled in 1:18 they are indeed perfect. Nick, the panels in my kit are NOT ONLY paper, The instrument panels for example are multiple layers with knops and switches made from plastic styrene or metal. THIS is MY technique. The effect is very realistic. I don't say this is the perfect way... But if you can build it better, so please go on and show your work. Edited February 18, 2011 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick_Karatzides Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Nick, the panels in my kit are NOT ONLY paper, The instrument panels for example are multiple layers with knops and switches made from plastic styrene or metal. THIS is MY technique. The effect is very realistic. I don't say this is the perfect way... But if you can build it better, so please go on and show your work.Menelaos, maybe I am wrong, but I feel your answer is a little aggressive. Isn't it? If you do not accept other people's opinion or technical advice, please say so. As mentioned before, the 1/18 scale is big enough to require maximum detail. If applying paper on side panels is your technique for "maximum detail", I have to accept it & respect your work as is. As for my own work, you know where to find it. As far as I remember, you've seen it and loved it (feel free to click HERE or HERE to check your own comments). I'm sure you can do much better and I still believe that it's not too late to consider a cockpit rebuilding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 (edited) Nick, we had that discussion on PM section and I alredy exmplaned my position on that, and I was wondering why you wrote that again.As you can read above (and on many F-104G article) I allready mentioned that the basis of the panels are a scaled copy and I think everyone knows it here. I'm not aggresive at all. Yes I know it's not perfect and one can build wonders out of it (look at the topic of the 1:16 Talon).Perhaps I could do those wounders as well, but at the moment this is what I produce and I'm very happy about it.I know your work and what kind of wonders you already build, no question and I wish to see more of those in the futureTo open the Kit again...no way it will be destroyed.I have many more 1:18 104s in stock to be build. So stay tuned for some more copied paper panels..! Edited January 8, 2013 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
104mike Posted February 18, 2011 Share Posted February 18, 2011 Don´t worry, 104-friends, perhaps there are some resin-cockpit-parts available in a few month´s... Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted February 18, 2011 Author Share Posted February 18, 2011 that would be very fine Mike.... servus (greets) M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted February 22, 2011 Author Share Posted February 22, 2011 (edited) first cotes of paint (Humbrol enamels) the patern is not yet at its last contour... The wing pylons are on their places too... And Mike, yes it will be a HAF-TF (The german TF is not possible, because of the MTU J79...) to be conn....... Edited February 22, 2011 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted March 6, 2011 Author Share Posted March 6, 2011 painting is almost done now... now washes, weathering and then the decals are waiting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted March 10, 2011 Author Share Posted March 10, 2011 some minor progress here and there...I added the nav. lights back on the fuselage, early MAP 104s have not the flat ones.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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