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    FAA Corsair EagleCals #163

    in Eagle Editions

    Posted

    Absolutely fabulou!!!!. Sheppards Corsair looks great. As well, KD 576 is dead on accurate!

     

    One thing that caught my eye though, is the 135 should be slightly canted forward of the British Pacific Fleet markings. The number isn't perpendicular to the bars.

     

    As well, on the same aircraft, it had carried the roundels found on KD 576. They were overpainted on the wings and the BPF insignia was added. You can see the overpaint on the wings. You may know his detail already and your art doesn't reveal the wings yet, I only thought I'd add this info to the thread.

     

    I can further clarify this info with Mark in person.

    Corsair Question

    in LSP Discussion

    Posted

    According to everything I've read about Boyington and VMF-214, he never had an assigned aircraft. He just used whichever airplane was in the worst shape at the time of the mission.

     

    HTH,

    D

    As was the case with most Marine and Navy units.

     

    Some aircraft he flew more often than others, 883 was one of them. I also think he was shot down in 883. I have to look through my records again though.

    F4u-1a color question

    in LSP Discussion

    Posted

    I have a question for you Dana. Here are some photos of the unrestored F4U-1D in the UK. As you can see the forward portion of the cowling is light gray but the rest is ZC. Would this be applicable to a large portion of -1A's and -1D's? Or what?

     

    Thanks!

     

    John, I need to read my KD431 book again. I have a feeling they stripped the engine panels to see what was underneath it.

     

    I know at the time of the writing of the book that they thought the gray in the cowl was not a standard paint job. They thought it was painted postwar and didn't understand why it was gray. I'll grab the book tonight and post my findings in the AM.

    New Reference for Bird Cage Corsair

    in LSP Discussion

    Posted

    Hi Dana,

     

    I have taken a few days to digest what you posted in reply to my question. There isn't anything that I don't follow or do not agree with. There were a lot of variations on how the aircraft were painted. Your Stateside photographs posted in this thread reveal the variations of re-paints/additions to US based aircraft.

     

    What I dispute you sort of answered, in that you didn't find any variaitons of the blue gray/light gray scheme. I agree 100% on this!

     

    IMHO, the schemes we are seeing depicted on Viva and Marines Dream is dead wrong. Yes, there was fading/weathering over the wing root. But there is no evidence of a scheme where the light gray was sprayed from the middle of the cowl in a straight line along the fuselage. This would have required a repaint of the national insignia and aircraft codes. I just don't see that being done, I can see if the aircraft were Stateside that being done, but not in a warzone.    

     

    I have DVD footage of Viva taxing in Munda. To me it appears to be a standard blue gray/light gray scheme. The same holds true for the high resolution images you gave me of Marine's Dream, except it is a heavily touched up aircraft.

     

    What I see in common on these two aircraft is fading over the wingroot, which may be the result of the coral landing strips they operated off of at that point in the war. I feel it looks like the pattern of wear follows the slip-stream over the wing. As well, there is staining/streaking from the cowls flaps, likely from oil and fluids leaking out from the engine. And both aircraft have patchy touch-ups. As well, I don't see the vertical stab as being a different color as the upper part of the fuselage. Many depict it as light gray, I feel the tail is blue-gray, just like it left the factory.

     

    Both of these aircraft would have been delivered in the standard blue gray scheme. I don't see why they would have painted the entire fuselage in the pattern suggested by many. That would have required a lot of time, effort, and resources. I also don't see the need for the change in the field. I only see speedy touch-ups being performed.

     

    There is one Birdcage I feel has a straight demarcation and that is Spirit of 76. I have not seen one factory fresh image of a Corsair with a straight line demarcation though. 

     

    Sometimes I feel I am too passionate about the Corsair. 

     

    I think I have another photograph of L68 that shows the demarcation curves over the top of the wing and is not a straight line. I think the appearance of a straight line is a combination of weathering and lighting. The exact same weathering I argue appears on Marines Dream and Viva!

     

    Cheers,

     

    Gary

    New Reference for Bird Cage Corsair

    in LSP Discussion

    Posted

    Hi Folks,

     

    I hate to start an argument before everyone has had a chance to see the evidence. First, when we're talking about graded camouflage, we are talking about any scheme that transitions from darkest on top of the fuselage to lightest on the bottom. For the Corsair, this was accomplished in two basic ways:

     

    - Sea Blue above, Intermediate Blue on the sides, and White on the bottom, with several variations in pattern

     

    - Sea Blue on top, with lighter and lighter applications down the sides into the white bottom, again with several variations in pattern. (No Intermediate Blue on the fuselage!) I suspect this is the scheme which is in dispute.

     

    If I can have a volunteer to post a few pictures (something I've never spent the time to learn how to do) I can share some images that might help everyone make up their own minds.

     

    Cheers,

    　

    　

    Dana

    Not an argument Dana, just a learning experience. Was this graded tone published in the technical orders? I have ordered your book, I am not certain if it has shipped yet. I paid for the book, I haven't received the shipping amount to Canada yet.

     

    My feeling on the "graded" blue-gray scheme is the lighter tone above the wing root is the result of coral dust being blown over the wings. It is wear and tear IMHO.

     

    I'll wait for your book to arrive to see what new info is in it!!!

    New Reference for Bird Cage Corsair

    in LSP Discussion

    Posted

    Hi Scooby

     

    According to Dana Bells postings on Hyperscale he was researching his book from primary resources.  You can always ask him about his sources if they are not clear in the book.  From what I have seen he is very open to discussing his research.   I suspect he is pretty clear about sources but I am awaiting my copy.  The record is far from clear in my opinion before this book, I recommend you buy a copy and judge for yourself.

     

    I have bought a book, I haven't received it yet.

     

    Yes, Dana is a great guy. He has shared a great deal of information with me. He even entrusted me with high resolution scans of some of the never before published photographs in his new book. I have had these for at least 10-12 months. Well before he book was published and they never went to anyone (except the decal makers, which Dana knew), I kept my word on that.

     

    I'll anxiously await the book and the info.

    New Reference for Bird Cage Corsair

    in LSP Discussion

    Posted

    Dana was a lot of help to me as well for getting a better understanding of the "Graded Tone" Corsair paint scheme. Haven't seen the book yet, but a copy is on its way to me.

     

    david

    I am still very sceptical that scheme existed on the Corsair. I feel the blue gray scheme faded in a similar pattern on some of the coral strips.

    1/32 Tamiya F4U-1A

    in LSP Discussion

    Posted

    I've seen a great method for covering the landing light, a friend of mine has done this on 1/48 scale kits and the method works well. He glues in the light lens and fills the seam with Mr. Surfacer, which he wipes smooth with the appropriate thinner.

     

    That gets rid of the circular seam. He then uses several layer of thick decal paper to replace the ribs.

     

    On a 1/32 kit perhaps thin strips of plastic card can be used. This method eliminates any need to sand any fabric detail off. No sanding is required.

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