Bf 109 G6 TROP 6/JG 27 - I am looking for photos or drawings

[Boch]

Hello everyone,

 

The assumptions of my World War II models were that for each plane I would make its opponent. Set side by side, eternal enemies who fought to the death. Two planes together will create something that will be a historical context and a story about both machines and people.

 

Autor: Robert Firszt

 

It's time to build an opponent for the Spitfire EN 315. After reviewing the literature, including articles on Circus Skalski, a monograph on PFT and above all the book:

A History of the Mediterranean Air War, 1940–1945, Volume Three: Tunisia and the End in Africa. I selected units that Poles could fight in Africa. Of the units and machines that took part in the fights with the Spitfires, I chose only those that used the Bf 109 G6 variant.

 

My biggest favorite became the Bf 109 G-6 Trop from 6/Jg 27 with production number 16345, yellow 1 + M. It was flown by Fw Fighter Operational Clasp Rudolf Lenz. Most likely, he and his colleague Heinz Goletz clashed with Horbaczewski. The fight took place on April 22, 1943.

 

 

 

In the list of Luftwaffe losses, this machine is marked not as 1+M, but as Bf 109G-6 (Trop) Werk # 16345 "Yellow 1 + -" (lost 4/22/43).

 

 

To locate the plane I used the JG 27 monograph by Marek Murawski, and Jagdwaffe colors by Jean-Luis Roba and Martin Pegg. I also searched on the internet. As for decals, the only bf 109 G-6 from 6/jg 27 from the African period that I found is Frantz Stigler's machine, so I could use camouflage and unit insignia from her.

 

 

In the literature about the Luftwaffe over Africa, I also found the G-4 painting from this unit, so the emblems were confirmed.

 

 

Still, I'm not sure what the plane's side code could look like on the machine, which is why I'm writing for help. I mean the mysterious 1+M designation, I've never seen the letter M on a Bf 109, I can imagine the 1+- designation more clearly. Maybe one of you has photos or graphics of planes from 6 / Jg 27 showing planes from 1943? Or other machines having similar side codes? There is a white rudder on Stigler's plane, and there is no white band around the fuselage. On the Bf 109 G-4 with Jagdwaffe colours, the aircraft has a camouflaged rudder and a white stripe around the fuselage. There is also a yellow identification stripe. The G-4 also has white wingtips. Do any of you have any information on this man? As you can see, there are a lot of questions.

 

 

 

 

All information will be very valuable to me, the more I can find out, the more faithfully I will try to reproduce Ruolf Lenz's machine.

Thank you very much in advance.

 

Best regards

Lukasz

Edited March 6, 2023 by Boch

[Furie]

I didn't find much, but I put you the pictures in case you're interested:

 

 

 

Messerschmitt Bf 109G4R6Trop 6.JG27 Yellow 8 Trapani Milo May June 1943

Asisbiz Jagdgeschwader 27

 

 

 

 

G-4 Trop 6/JG 27 May 1943 San-Pietro

Bf 109 F, G & K / Prien Rodeike page 93

Edited March 6, 2023 by Furie

[Furie]

 

 

 

 

Asisbiz Messerschmitt Bf 109G6R3R6Trop 6.JG27 Yellow 18 Sicily 1943 Avions 90 P27

[Furie]

 

Bf 109 F, G & K / Prien Rodeike page 99

G-6 trop Ofw Stiegler / WNr 16347 / Pantelleria / 3 juin 1943 / 6/JG27

 

I thought you were looking for G-4's, but it turns out you need G-6's!
I hope this will help you.
 

Denis, who looks at the topics diagonally!

Edited March 6, 2023 by Furie

[Boch]

Yes, im looking for G-6. Fanatsic photos. Thanks a lot.

[RBrown]

In type written reporting the letter M was used to denote the III Gruppe markings.  Yellow 1+M  would indicate the machine was or had been assigned to 9 Staffel, III Gruppe.  Perhaps the aircraft was reassigned to 6./JG 27 and  was shot down before the the markings were changed to the second Gruppe horizontal bar.

[Boch]

8 minutes ago, RBrown said:

In type written reporting the letter M was used to denote the III Gruppe markings.  Yellow 1+M  would indicate the machine was or had been assigned to 9 Staffel, III Gruppe.  Perhaps the aircraft was reassigned to 6./JG 27 and  was shot down before the the markings were changed to the second Gruppe horizontal bar.

 

If we take into account the second description, i.e. yellow 1+-, does it mean the standard designation, i.e. the yellow number 1 and the horizontal bar? Thank you very much for the explanations. There seems to be a mistake in the book, there is no mention of M in the Luftwaffe list, but there is mention of 1+-

[RBrown]

Yellow 1+- would denote 6 Staffel, II Gruppe.

[Boch]

2 minutes ago, RBrown said:

Yellow 1+- would denote 6 Staffel, II Gruppe.

Thank you very much. So that would fit. Ok, so the designation is fixed, the pictures show characteristic elements of painting, such as white wingtips, white hubcap. The question remains, what did the wings look like?

[RBrown]

W.Nr. 16345 was built by Messerschmitt AG, Regensberg.  Here is a link showing the various camouflage patterns applied: LINK

[Boch]

25 minutes ago, RBrown said:

W.Nr. 16345 was built by Messerschmitt AG, Regensberg.  Here is a link showing the various camouflage patterns applied: LINK

Great. Thanks.