ScoobyDoo
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The reason has been posted in just about every new Tamiya release thread since the 1:48 Fi-156. The Canadian distributor pays for air service. The importer, Borgfelt, doesn't want to lose sales of hot releases to overseas, and or discount retail outlets. So they pay extra and get them sooner. However quantities are limited and stock of the new corsair is already low, demand has been high.
I like your theory but I like mine more (yours is probably correct).
I always thought it was due to the help Vintage Wings has given them. I have only noticed it with the 1/32 kits. I know the first 1/32 Spit Mk IXs went straight to VWoC.
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That would be swell. Lt Donald Sheppard RCNVR, was the only Fleet Air Arm Corsair ace in the pacific theater, and I find it hard to believe that no one has done any of his Corsair II markings, given the release of this kit. When speaking of "timing", I would suggest that this omission is rather poor timing in my humble opinion.
Cheers
Brad
Totally agree.
Hopefully we will see FAA decals soon with this Canadian topic.
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They are in other locations in Canada too!!!
Once again we beat Japan and the rest of the world!
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Great idea Simmo.b, I think I even mentioned that, but my post got removed. I guess my comment regarding kids in a playground wasn't well received.
Brad
I think you'll be happy about your decal hopes soon. .
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"Tojo" to me represents a can of worms in terms of interpreting the paint scheme, so i just prefer to steer clear of it. I think the weathering looks great. I know you aren't satisfied with how the propeller is coming along but i think the propeller will look better if the hub is dulled down a bit.
Just one man's opinion, but one thing i would change however, is to reduce the contrast between the fabric covered areas on the wings and the surrounding sheet metal. I understand what you're trying to depict but i think there is a little too much contrast. I hope this isn't taken the wrong way.
At the risk of sounding paranoid, just wanted to make sure you will be adding the non skid areas and the 1" walkway markings to the wings. To me a Corsair just doesn't look right without them.
Looking forward to more pics. Keep on going!!
david
Agree with everything you just posted. We could discuss Tojo further privately if you like. I'd like to hear more of your views on it. I truly respect what you have said."Tojo" to me represents a can of worms in terms of interpreting the paint scheme, so i just prefer to steer clear of it. I think the weathering looks great. I know you aren't satisfied with how the propeller is coming along but i think the propeller will look better if the hub is dulled down a bit.
I have a feeling he is still going to give it a wash the tone the contrast down.Just one man's opinion, but one thing i would change however, is to reduce the contrast between the fabric covered areas on the wings and the surrounding sheet metal. I understand what you're trying to depict but i think there is a little too much contrast. I hope this isn't taken the wrong way.
Yes, they are missing. It is encouraging to see more modelers are adding such on their models now based on discussion such as this one. I am seeing these details on more Corsair builds now. One comment I have for this detail though is I feel if it were a field level repaint they wouldn't paint those details in black. The wings would be one solid color. But again, I feel this is a factory paint with heavy weathering and touch-ups.At the risk of sounding paranoid, just wanted to make sure you will be adding the non skid areas and the 1" walkway markings to the wings. To me a Corsair just doesn't look right without them.
Yeah, I am loving this build and look forward to more of it.Looking forward to more pics. Keep on going!!
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Head's up all, just so everything is clear.
- I'm doing this scheme as blue-gray over light gray.
- I opted to do the tail in blue-gray.
- I will be doing (6) early-style insignias. I will probably add the white bar extensions, but maybe not (if I want to depict it slightly earlier, etc). I will NOT be adding red outlines. First, because I don't see them at all on TES. Second, because I will likely be putting them on my -1A when I build one.
I get that the reference photo is open to all kinds of interpretation, and frankly, it's grainy enough and low-res enough and the processing is blown out enough that I don't think it's possible to be particularly certain about any aspect of the scheme. It can be debated ad infinitum, but at some point calls have to be made if paint and markings are ever going to go down.
Perfect,I agree with all that you posted.
Sorry, I am fanatical in my research on the Corsair. I think what you have now looks perfect. So sorry if I have caused a stink.
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Scooby Doo - the very light vertical fin can be considered a proof of the 3 color camo. Because as you said... There were no planes with 2 color camo and tail painted with the undercolor. We can argue wheather it was a field repaint or not, but due to the insignia with red outlines and dark colored -1A style undercarriage I assume it was factory applied.
DoogsATX - That's hell of a weathering! Looking forward to see your fading progress.
I feel this is simply a blue/gray Corsair. There are no visible demarcation lines on the fuselage. The only reason the tail may appear lighter in this instance is the sun is hitting it. I don't see any red surround on the insignia. This is an early insignia with white bars added, no surround on the bars.
I feel the undercarriage is silver. It is heavily weathered with carbon, dust, and dirt. The dark undercarriages didn't appear until the 1D, not 1As.
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Looks sharp!!!!!
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I agree wih Vera and Spirit of 76 having a lighter tail. I feel this is due to those Birdcages being delivered in the blue/gray scheme and field painted with dark sea blue.Hi Scooby
There wer a number of blue great planes that had a great vertical stabilizer. Look at Ken Walsh's plane with the Clover leaf named Viva. That is a good example. I don't know for sure about this plane but Baracuda studios published a very good article on the correct look of this plane.
In those instances the Birdcages remained in the standard blue/gray, but had dark sea blue added to the upper surfaces.
On those Corsairs, the dark sea blue added was a high demarcation that ran straight across the fuselage above the wing ( no curving) and the tail was left in the blue/gray. The top of the wings and horizontal stab was repainted dark sea blue.
Marines Dream had been painted by modelers for years in the same pattern as Vera but new images have surfaced that show it was a standard blue gray scheme.
I feel Tojo Eats......is also a standard blue gray scheme. Doog has depicted that in his build, with the low demarcation that curves around the wing root. Although he left the vertical stab gray, it should be blue/gray (blue).
I may have a second image of Tojo now, although I cannot confirm that 100%. I found another photo of a USMC Birdcage with the 126 serial. Based on that image and the one in this thread, I am of the opinion the Tojo aircraft is a well worn blue/gray Corsair that has not been field modified with dark sea blue in the pattern I described in this post.
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What are you doing with the vertical stab? On a Blue/Gray Corsair that was blue as well.
Awesome painting and weathering!
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Incredible paint work!
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Beautiful work on the finish!Last night at the bench before another $@(%@!#$* business trip.
Got a lot of the blue gray down. Still missing the stabs, mid-fuselage, fabric portions of the wings, the underside of the outer wings, blah blah, but the areas I'm planning on chipping have been painted and chipped.
Back to it on Thursday!
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I don't see how you see a high demarcation line on Tojo, the aircraft is heavily weathered.I am sorry, but I never stated all corsair were 3 tone... I just wrote that 2 color with high demarcation line makes no sense to me (excuse my english, please, saying "high demarcation line" I mean the fuselage sides above wing root painted with the light underside color ). I definitely agre with you, Viva and Marines Dream were 3 colors in my opinion (among others). The "Tojo" is 3 tone camo in my opinion...maybe field repaint, but 3 tone.
Viva I agree was 3 tone. But field applied.
Marines Deam was not 3 tone, again Roy agrees with me on this. We had a long discussion on it earlier this year. As well, we both have unpublished high resolution photographs of Marines Dream which were provided to us by Dana Bell. We can't post the images until Dana's Corsair book(s) are released. Marines Dream was blue/gray.
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I do not know what "We" means. Just to be precise, I was the person that positively idetified the island and sent the info to Barracuda.
I do not believe it was in 2 color camo.
The photo has been taken most probably at the end of 1943, or maybe spring 1944. The order to use 3 color took effect from JANUARY 5th 1943.
I do not believe any Corsair left factory in the presumed 2 color high demarcation line scheme. Who would repaint it in battle field this way?! Even in case other camo had to be used? Do not try to estimate colours from underexposed B&W 70 years old sheet of paper.
My understanding was it was another person who positively identified the location after the photo was posted on several sites. The initial thoughts were it was may have been Guadicanal. At least that is how Roy explained it to me (in the flesh).
I may have located a second photograph of this Corsair, at least it has the same serial on the gear doors.
I stand by this being a blue/gray Corsair wih touch-ups.
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I'm sorry, but this is an absolute nonsense. The airfield on the pic is Munda. The Battle of Munda took place from 22 July-4 August 1943.
It is hard to believe Japs would take the pic of a beaten Corsair about a year BEFORE it was deployed to combat (February 1943).
My mistake. I thought it was determined it was 42.
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That's exactly what I'm planning to do with the leading edges. Question is - but that time in 1943 would the leading edge touch-ups be in blue grey, or would they have already moved to white/intermediate blue/dark sea blue with the field paint stocks.
I don't think we will ever know. Most experts in the matter think it was intermediate dark sea blue.
My argument against that is this was 1943, FedEx and overnight couriers didn't exist. I'd also be willing to bet those paints didn't start arriving until the first F4U-1As arrived in theatre.
I forgot to add, it is now thought this photograph was taken in 1942 anyway.
I think the touch-ups were fresh blue/gray.
Beautiful build btw!!!!
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the dark leading edges maight be a proof of the 3 color camo. It was in fact 4color camo...see following quote from wiki
From January 5, 1943 all aircraft were to be painted in a four colour scheme consisting of ANA 606 Semi Gloss Sea Blue upper surfaces with ANA 607 Non Specular Sea Blue on the upper surface of the wing leading edges, ANA 608 Non Specular Intermediate Blue on the vertical tail, a graded tone close to FS-35189 Blue Grey (mixed from ANA 601 & ANA 607) on the fuselage sides, and ANA 601 Non Specular Insignia White on the undersides. The portions of the wings visible from above when folded were painted in the graded tone used on the sides.
Another nice info about camuflages ca be found here: http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/usn_e.htm#1940
The landing gear doors....interesting observation..the underside of the mid wing looks a bit lighter...realy!
This aircraft was blue/gray, not tri-color.
We don't know the bureau number, but we have finally determined the island the this Corsair was on and the time Birdcages were deployed there.
Very few Birdcages were repainted in the field with the tri-color scheme. Most repainted were Stateside in those colors and stayed there in those colors. Aircraft in the field were touched up with fresh paint that contrasted with the sun/bleached faded paint.
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The technical orders call for light gray on the insides of the cowl.Now I need to start throwing a bit of paint. Does anybody happen to have on good authority what color the inside of the cowl flaps and back-of-cowl were painted? I know the forward cowl was done in light gray, but for the rest of the cowl interior and the cowl flaps I've seen gray, I've seen salmon, and I've seen green zinc chromate - which seems odd since it's not present anywhere else, and by all accounts wasn't used on the Birdcages at all.
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I thought most of the early ones were finished in the Salmon primer? I could be mistaken.
None of that changes the fact that your chipping is top drawer!
None of them were finished in the salmon primer, it was painted over with the gray.
It appears on the Michigan Corsair the tail wheel well was not sprayed over though.
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They have been posted here before, but I can't find the thread at the moment. It contained a discussion about the function of those elements represented by the photo-etched parts on top of the wing.
Kev
I looked before I posted, all I could find was the one image link posted below.
I am surprised Kittyhawk didn't direct the info here. Good to see LSP members are excited about this kit.
I' ve been reading the threads on three different sites. This one is excited about the release, another is indifferent, and the last was hostile to Kittyhawk.
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Surprised there isn't a thread on the built up kit.
I think it looks good.
http://www.hyperscale.com/2014/reviews/kits/kittyhawkpreview_12.htm
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Sorry for your loss.
I know the aircraft guy for 21st Century Toys, he has some interesting stories from his time with the company.
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ECP 583 was the upgrade and it was done in two phases.
I found if you were going to find a jet without the spot light it was a 410 jet, in it's place we installed a blanking plate.
916 was a 416 jet when I worked Hornets, it was the first Hornet I had a back seat flight in. If I recall correctly I think it carried the Cougar on the LEX even though it was marked with the Lynx on the tale.
If you are building a CF-18 our main gear are not the same as found in the kit.
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RAF? Looks Japanese to me!
"Tojo Eats S***!" - 1/32 Tamiya F4U-1 Corsair
in Works in Progress
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No, this is 100% correct, the white bars were added in-theatre to the early markings. Just the white bars were added. This was found on many Birdcage Corsairs that left the factory in the blue/gray scheme and were still in service when the changes were made to the national insignia.