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Tamiya versus Eduard Tamiya Decals

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#16 Gazzas

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 12:10 AM

One thing they've definitely got right was the supercharger intake. The seam it's where it belongs. Unfortunately the Eduard intake is more conventional.

Another interesting development is the windscreen part. Part of it is glued to the IP and that area fits under the cowling parts in front.

But those are still in the future. I'll start on the Eduard cockpit tonight, hopefully.

Gaz

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Posted 02 March 2018 - 11:31 AM

Hi everyone,

    I didn't get as much done tonight as hoped.  Tired after a week's work. 

 

The Eduard Cockpit parts.

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Clear fuel tube.  A few small decals instead of paint.  Both kits have decal seat belts.  The molded-on detail of the access hatch behind the pilot is much better on the Tamiya kit, IMHO.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Gaz


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Posted 07 March 2018 - 11:36 PM

Hi Everyone,

   Essentially, I've completed the interior of the cockpits.  The Tamiya pit is inserted into the completed fuselage before the wings are added.

 

Here are the two seats with their decal seat belts:

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It's a bad picture, I know.  Sorry.  The Eduard belts on the left are four separate pieces with simulated white metal buckles and darker brown lap belts.

The Tamiya seatbelts on the right are a single piece decal with black-ish looking hardware.  Amazingly, though these Tamiya decals are seemingly thin and flexible.  My hopes are up.

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The completed Eduard pit.  Minus gunsight.  I usually don't add the gunsight until I'm ready to add the canopy.  I hafta say that the Eduard interior decals are a nice touch.  But for some reason, the instrument faces on the IP decal are white.  I didn't take a picture of that before I painted it.

Inset of Eduard pit to show decals better:

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The completed Tamiya pit:

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This is only painted by the call-outs on the directions.  I think a few more decals would have looked better than my hand painting.

 

Both pits were given a black/brown acrylic wash and drybrushed with white enamel paints to raise details.

 

Thanks for looking!

 

Gaz


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Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:21 AM

...more...

Working on the Tamiya engine assembly.  The Eduard Weekend Edition has no engine, so I'll steam along with Big T until they mesh again.

 

Some of you are possibly interested in the structure of the engine bay.  As I've mentioned before, there is an engine bearer arm built into a fuselage half.  This bearer arm adds an amount of certainty to where you're going as the Tamiya parts quickly mesh into place. 

 

Usually, I move around the instructions until I get to the point where I have to put assemblies together.  But with this kit, I'm going step-by-step.  I'm also using Tamiya enamel paints to speed me through the process. 

 

I'm up to the point where two magnets were added to the engine bearer structure.

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There is one underneath the center of the arm, and one at the front, shown below:

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There are also serial number decals for the engine.  They are available in white or yellow.

 

I'm still struggling along with the phone camera.  If I take the picture too close, it's out of focus.  If I take a picture of a small object from far away, I think the camera isn't focusing on the point I'm trying to get it to focus on.  anyway...

 

Gaz


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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:29 AM

Looking good-what are the magnets for?


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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:40 AM

Looking good-what are the magnets for?

Thank you!  The magnets are so you can swap from showing it displayed with the engine compartment opened or closed.

 

Around forty seconds you can see the process:

https://www.youtube....h?v=BBAS3RKmMYE

 

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Posted 08 March 2018 - 09:56 AM

...more...
 
I'm still struggling along with the phone camera.  If I take the picture too close, it's out of focus.  If I take a picture of a small object from far away, I think the camera isn't focusing on the point I'm trying to get it to focus on.  anyway...
 
Gaz


Mate, try tapping on the screen on the centre of the as you compose the shot, it “should” then focus on that point. With my iPhone, the yellow box appears. Also you can compose the shot and then use the digital zoom to get closer.

Best of luck and enjoying the build from here.
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Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:47 PM

Man I'm really impressed by that Tamiya 109 with that engine bearer structure. Great work so far Gaz.


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Posted 08 March 2018 - 05:58 PM

Thank you very much, fellas!

Mate, try tapping on the screen on the centre of the as you compose the shot, it “should” then focus on that point. With my iPhone, the yellow box appears. Also you can compose the shot and then use the digital zoom to get closer.

Best of luck and enjoying the build from here.

I do that, but the focus area (on my phone a green circle) is sometimes bigger than the object I want to photograph.  It makes me think that it's focusing on something else in the circle.

 

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Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:48 PM

Just a small update before I go do some errands.

 

You guys know those pesky seams at the top and bottom of the 109's fuselage that we always have to sand smooth and then replace?  Well...  Tamiya has fixed the problem for us with a nice little feature. 

 

The glue joint is below the surface, so that when you have the halves assembled, the dorsal and ventral seam need almost no attention.  I show the next photos taken prior to cleanup.

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The line rivets on the Eduard 109 seem to correspond to the .75mm wheel on my Rivet-R tool.

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Now I'll have to restore the rivets lost on the dorsal and ventral seams.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Gaz


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Posted 11 March 2018 - 02:28 PM

The more I look at this thread ..............the less likely I am to build an Eduard 109 and go with the Tamiya one. I've gotta hand it to ya Gaz, this is a very useful thread.


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Posted 12 March 2018 - 08:57 AM

The more I look at this thread ..............the less likely I am to build an Eduard 109 and go with the Tamiya one. I've gotta hand it to ya Gaz, this is a very useful thread.

 

Well Joe,

    we're nowhere near the finish line.  The Eduard kit has a lot to show in surface detail I haven't shown.  But I know it has nothing on the engineering of the Tamiya kit.  You can get the Eduard kit with more extras, including engine, too.  Doing that will bring it closer to the Tamiya kit in price.

 

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Posted 15 March 2018 - 04:22 PM

I was fondling my Tamiya kit last night and pondering doing a minor conversion to a late G-6 with a tall tail and Erla Haube.  I scored several Zvezda G-6 kits on the cheap, and by slicing the tail off of both and grafting the Zvezda tail onto the Tamiya fuselage you not only get the ability to do the tail tail, but you get the bonus of having separate elevators which can be realistically drooped as was commonly seen on 109s.  There is virtually no difference in the dimensions of the aft fuselage between the two (indicating both are pretty accurate), so it would be a super simple conversion.

 

 

I've been doing some study on Bf109 tall tails and rudders, and while I'm still working on it, I'm 100% convinced that almost nobody has ever gotten the tall tail exactly right.  Bizarrely, the tall tail on the Bf109K was different from the earlier ones.  The rudder post on the tall tail on the Bf109G had a slight aft angle above the mass balance cutout.  On the K the rudder post was perfectly straight and vertical all the way to the top.  It's not a huge difference, but once you know it's there, you can see it in photos.

 

 

I'm still trying to sort out the particulars of all the various styles of rudders found on 109s.  There has been a lot of erroneous information published on them in the past - including in the very recent past in several new books.


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Posted 30 March 2018 - 06:58 AM

Hi Everyone!

   Lately, work and family has curtailed my modelling.  Further, I was wanting to complete the Roden Albatros D.III I had been working on.  http://forum.largesc...showtopic=74083

 

But here is a small update:

 

 

A couple shots of the empennage:

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Nice detail for both tails.  Downers for the Tamiya kit are fixed elevators and single piece wheel and strut.  Eduard has a separate wheel and strut arrangement I'll add later.  Eduard's empennage is pretty fragile.  I broke off one stabilizer already.  I pinned it with brass when I put it back on.

 

I moved to the wing as it's the next step in the directions.  Speaking of directions, I'll show you the cooling flap and main flap page of the Tamiya directions.  This will show you how they are engineered to be easily built up or down:

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The Eduard kit has small tabs that will allow the builder to make them open or closed.  But keeping them open will involve the time-honored ritual of holding them in-place until the glue hardens.

Here is my progress on the Tamiya Wing:

 

The bottle cap is where I put my CA puddle.  The rough brush-painting isn't my best.  But as I've done a fair few 1/48 109's, I'm pretty sure it'll be difficult to see without magnification and added light..

 

The upper wings of the Eduard kit look to have been pulled from the molds too quickly, holding that area of the build up.  I've already been in-touch with Eduard support and they've agreed to send replacement parts.

 

Thanks for looking!

 

Gaz


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Posted 01 April 2018 - 04:31 AM

Working on the landing gear for both models.

 

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There isn't much novel about the Eduard gear other than it fits into a lug in the upper wing instead of the usual hole in the lower wing.

 

The Tamiya gear have two novel features and better detail.  One novel feature is the L-shape indicating a much larger gluing surface and rigidity.  The second is the wheel mounting area.  Instead of the usual pin that allows the builder to decide/guess on the wheel angle, it has a large, slotted oval.  This oval fits one wheel only, so the wheels are not interchangeable.  The tire area is molded to the inner hub.  There is a separate outer hub.

 

The Eduard tires and hubs are all separate parts. 

 

The tires of both kits are molded in single pieces instead of the usual halves.

 

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The Tamiya L/G leg is fitted into a hole in the back of the L/G receptacle area at a 45 degree angle.  Then pivoted into place.

 

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The Dry-fitted result.  No wiggle whatsoever.

 

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From the side.

 

Looking at the directions I noticed another feature.  The drop tank is held on by a poly cap arrangement allowing you to add or remove it easily.

 

Thanks for looking.

 

Gaz


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