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#16 blackbetty

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 10:35 AM

what kind of drawings are you using?


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Posted 23 May 2018 - 05:07 PM

Hi Zero!
 
Kagemusha, in the early 1990's the Angolan government turned to a private military company called "Executive Outcomes" for help in combatting the UNITA rebel forces. In a strange twist of fate, EO employed ex South African military personnel who had been fighting against the Angolan government forces up until 1989. Peace is a relative term here in Africa.
 
Iain, I also found the front of the cockpit a bit fiddly. I have the Linden Hill Decals, but am contemplating begging my friend Nick to try cut some masks instead.
 
Tim, I would love to visit Cuba too. A colleague of mine is corresponding with a Cuban pilot who did three tours in Angola flying MiG-21 and MiG-23. His stories are fascinating, and very human. It is wonderful to hear about the same war from the other side. I have slowly been gaining an insight into the larger political stage on which our conflict was fought. Your kids are going to have to find out from you.
 
Greetings MARU, sandokan, Kevin and RNoAF!
 
blackbetty, here comes your answer..


If you do go, they have some fascinating museums and displays in Havana. As well as the best Mojitos on the planet IMHO. We also did some great diving in the Bay of Pigs. My advise is go soon before it gets completely overtaken by mass tourism. And as an aside, on arrival I got patted down by a young female customs official wearing a miniskirt and fishnet stockings!!

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Posted 23 May 2018 - 05:09 PM

ok I'm following this



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Posted 24 May 2018 - 09:21 AM

Hi reconspit and Gaz, thanks for looking in.

 

blackbetty, the plans I used are from the 4+ publication "MiG-23" - a very useful resource for this project (The draughtsman's signature looks like an M in a circle).

 

Tim, great story - now I really better get there in a hurry  :whistle:

 

shark64, not just highly skilled, funny too!


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 09:33 AM

Whilst singing the praises of the Aires resin I omitted this photo of another little masterpiece - their KM-1M ejection seat. Does anyone know who created these gems?

 

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Here are the intakes sprayed and masked, ready for installation...

 

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 10:01 AM

hi 

a very interested thread , that I will follow , I am not an expert , but i've heard that there is an issue with the intakes , not enough " curved " , I think that "Zacto" made correct resin intakes .. did you used Zacto's sets or fixed the kit parts ..thanks 

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 11:56 AM

since you say this build has allready happened, i dont know if you want any more info.... if you do i will gladly point out what i have found


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 05:10 PM

Greetings Alain,

 

Zactoman has produced wonderful corrections for this kit, but I chose to modify it myself. The result is not quite the same, but acceptable to me. The problem is that the kit intake is very "square", especially at the top. I just sanded it to shape, but others have added a small triangular wedge which they then shape round. Here is an image of the real thing.

 

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Hello again blackbetty,

 

The build, although ahead of my posts, is not actually complete - it isn't even primed yet. I am very interested to hear what you have discovered with the kit!

 

I think that prospective builders stand to learn from these discussions, and I certainly gained a lot from this one: https://intscalemode...pic.php?t=10266

 

Sean


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 06:16 PM

Fantastic start Sean, I will follow with interest.

Cheers

Martin


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Posted 24 May 2018 - 08:24 PM

Hello Sean, outstanding build of a fascinating subject, I am definitely following!

Cheers,
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Posted 24 May 2018 - 10:54 PM

Outstanding work thus far on a very interesting subject

 

Hope to see progress and tracking this

 

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 06:02 AM

ok, so here you go: the probelms with the nose are because trumpy seemes to have used the 4+ drawings that are wrong. there is a russian publication  with the best drawings that are availible. i can send you a pdf (pm me with your email if inetrrested, i can send them via wetransfer)

this is my thread: https://forum.larges...topic=66537&hl=

most of the info (and the resin nose) are from Florin: https://forum.larges...er +done +right

hope this helps


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 08:56 AM

hi

 

 

 

 

ok, so here you go: the probelms with the nose are because trumpy seemes to have used the 4+ drawings that are wrong. there is a russian publication  with the best drawings that are availible. i can send you a pdf (pm me with your email if inetrrested, i can send them via wetransfer)

this is my thread: https://forum.larges...topic=66537&hl=

most of the info (and the resin nose) are from Florin: https://forum.larges...er +done +right

hope this helps

 

so,I presume that every trumpy Mig 23 have the same wrong nose cone that must be fixed ????? ( I have the MF version) ,  

Alain



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Posted 25 May 2018 - 09:35 AM

mine is the MF too, this nose has been dubbed the "pinnochio nose" due to it (wrong) length

if you want you can too have the pdf with the russion drawings. S, MF, MLD all seem to have different noses. since i dont have the MLD kit i cant comment on its accuracy


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 05:26 PM

Greetings Martin, Marcel and Mr b!

 

blackbetty is right.

 

Somehow the draughtsman with the M in the circle got the nose wrong, by quite a bit. Trumpeter clearly used the 4+ drawings, and before now I would have too. They look so good.

 

This morning I was hoping to get some primer onto this fairly sizeable model, but then Karl's information stopped me in my tracks. I was very curious to verify that the 4+ drawing was in fact off the mark, and got onto a photograph of that fantastic ML on its side in Sinsheim. I blew it up and got this...

 

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I then traced its outline in red pencil over the 4+ drawing.

 

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Then an email arrived from blackbetty, which confirmed the actual shape of the nose. Notice the length of the pitot too.

 

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This is what the nose looked like, with the profimodeller pitot tube in place.

 

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So I got to work with a file...

 

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and sandpaper. Now the nose looks like this (with a vastly extended pitot tube to boot) - much better. Thanks Karl!

 

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