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For those who have built the ZM He 219A, is it worth the money


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#1 oyoy5

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:50 PM

Accuracy and ease of assembly is it that much better than the Revell kit?  Thanks


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Posted 21 February 2018 - 09:39 PM

In terms of accuracy ... Though not without it's flaws, it is much more accurate in outline than it's Revell competition.

In terms of ease of assembly ... Opinions will vary ... There are those that have struggled with fit ... but others report no issues whatsoever.

For mine, I think it comes down to a result of the complexity of the detail. More parts means more chances of ill fitting assemblies - tolerances become less forgiving.

 

My preference, regardless of cost, was for the ZM kit ... The Revell will, due to it's much lower parts count/detail, be easier to assemble.

 

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Posted 21 February 2018 - 11:48 PM

I feel it boils down to whether you can live  with the outline inaccuracies Iain and I figured out when the Revell kit came out.

 

The ZM kit is more detailed (engines, weapons), has a nicer surface detail, and is much more accurate in shape. HOWEVER - as Rog says, the Revell is easier to build, costs around a third the price and we have all seen pretty magnificent builds of it.

 

So the ZM kit is technically worth the money, but whether it is worth that amount to you is something only you can answer.

 

I have both and am pleased with each's cost/quality ratios...

 

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Posted 22 February 2018 - 08:31 PM

ZM kit, for the win. When you know the He 219, then Revell's kit is almost like a caricature. Don't get me wrong, it's still a very nice kit, but much isn't right with it like shapes, angles, surface details. ZM kit it on the nail, but it's no walk in the park, and of course it costs over three times the price.


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Posted 23 February 2018 - 04:18 AM

ZM kit is a definite step up and worth it 


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Posted 23 February 2018 - 07:50 AM

In my eyes, overall Revell is 4 out of 10. That includes boxing, instructions, plastic quality, etc.

Zoukei-Mura is 10 out of 10. 

I believe they are incomparable. Revell is closer to Airfix than to ZM.


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Posted 23 February 2018 - 10:09 AM

 

I believe they are incomparable. Revell is closer to Airfix than to ZM.

 

 

That seems to be a unfair reflection on Airfix given their kits of late, 1/24 Typhoon and Mossie.


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Posted 24 February 2018 - 03:31 AM

The Revell kit can be somewhat fixed, though some of the accuracy issues are inexplicable. I talked to a guy who claimed to be involved and he said the head of the project had some kind of issue with how the design was to be interpreted. There was the implication that others knew the kit had errors, but could not do anything about them. I'm ever so slowly doing one and fixing some of the fuselage issues, the cross-section of the real fuselage is WTF. Reworking the engine nacels will be more of a challenge.



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Posted 24 February 2018 - 02:33 PM

...Reworking the engine nacels will be more of a challenge.

 

 And reworking the nose and glazing will make that look a walk in the park.


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Posted 24 February 2018 - 03:49 PM

Why Revell even did the He 219 is beyond me? it came out of the blue after a great Ju-88 kit and then a great He-111 kit, bought both of those of course and felt confident that next in line would be a Revell 1/32 Do-17 variant ... but no, we get a He 219 from two companys ... maybe they were trying to second guess each other.

When are we going to get a 1/32 Dornier 17? Perhaps if there was a model company sort of union, where they all communicated and asked, what are you planning to do next ETC, impossible dream I know :)

 

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 04:46 PM

Thing with the Do 17 is that Revell (nor anyone else) had access to a real airframe to measure up.

 

I'm not even sure how useful the recovered D017 is going to be as it was/is quite mashed up...

 

Of course, the fact that Revell had access to a real He 219 didn't seem to actually help them a lot.. :). That's the frustrating thing about that kit, getting it correct wouldn't have cost more than getting it wrong - assuming the research had been done.

 

Anyway that's all history now, it is what it is.

 

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 05:22 PM

Did Revell actually have access to the entire He219? Last I saw, only the restored fuselage was on display. The rest of the aircraft, including the wings and engines was at Silver Hill.

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 06:32 PM

Did Revell actually have access to the entire He219? Last I saw, only the restored fuselage was on display. The rest of the aircraft, including the wings and engines was at Silver Hill.

 Well, seeing as the creation of both kits seemed to be in parallel, I suppose Revell would have had the same potential level of access as ZM. I think ZM had access to several of the a/c that have been kitted subsequently at Silver Hill.

 

When I say had 'access to' I mean had the option of access - I am not aware of whether Revell actually went over and measured the aircraft as ZM did.?

 

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 06:33 PM

Thing with the Do 17 is that Revell (nor anyone else) had access to a real airframe to measure up.
 
I'm not even sure how useful the recovered D017 is going to be as it was/is quite mashed up...
 
Of course, the fact that Revell had access to a real He 219 didn't seem to actually help them a lot.. :). That's the frustrating thing about that kit, getting it correct wouldn't have cost more than getting it wrong - assuming the research had been done.
 
Anyway that's all history now, it is what it is.
 
Matt


And yet we have numerous Do-17s in the smaller scales. I know it would involve a lot of interpolation from photos and schematics but we have many models for which there are no existing examples remaining. Both Hobby Boss and Bronco released a Land-Wasser-Schlepper with nothing to measure.

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Posted 24 February 2018 - 08:19 PM

And therefore?






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