Menelaos Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) TNX ..is the gelbe 14 above bigger than the one on the other pics?? Edited April 28, 2018 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 one more question....on the decal sheet of peddinghaus the 100 kills is yellow....it seems to be white...is that right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 Fortunately the rudder of 8673 survived. After Marseille was killed it was removed from 8673 and given to the Marseille family who later donated it to a museum. Gazzas and Menelaos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 TNX... RBrown 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted April 28, 2018 Author Share Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) do we know what camo his last Me-109G2 had?? Edited April 28, 2018 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) do we know what camo his last Me-109G2 had?? There are no known photos and little documentary evidence. Both JG 27 and Der Oberbefehlshaber SUD submitted reports on the accident. In the latter the space for markings is left blank. The aircraft is listed as brand new Bf 109 G-2, W.Nr 14256, on its first combat flight. In late September 1942 3./ JG 27 received six brand new Bf 109 G-2/ Trop machines. Marseille had flown at least two of these aircraft in combat on or after September 22. Since these aircraft were brand new, they most probably had the standard factory high demarcation RLM 79 Sandgelb over RLM 78 Hellblau camouflage with a white spinner, wing tips and theater band, but no one knows for sure. Edited April 28, 2018 by RBrown Menelaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 (edited) Not sure about that, but the proportions of the upper wing cross (decal #1) is incorrect, so that throws the rest of the sheet's accuracy into doubt in my mind. If you can't spend the five minutes it takes to Google the exact proportions of that cross, well... Also the white outline Balkenkreuz is incorrect for 8673. Edited April 28, 2018 by RBrown Menelaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted April 29, 2018 Author Share Posted April 29, 2018 (edited) Marseille actually wasn't a big fun of the new arived G2...he reported problems with the ac ...and wanted to flow further his F4....what a fate.... he was the best of the best...in my eyes a much better pilot than Hartmann...(not to want to make Hartmann a less better ace ...) Edited April 30, 2018 by Menelaos alaninaustria 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) look at the pop and front canopy (this is a G type ) behind Marseille...is this his last AC?? Edited April 30, 2018 by Menelaos RBrown and rafju 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alaninaustria Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 Marseille actually wasn't a big fun of the new arived G2...he reported problems with the ac ...and wanted to flow further his F4....what a fate.... he was the best of the best...in my eyes a much better pilot than Hartmann...(not to want to make Hartmann a less better ace ...) I agree Dr.M, Marseille was a first class marksman and Hartmann was a skilled, cunning and opportunistic hunter... two very different yet effective strategies! We must not forget the differences in environment, opponents and equipment between the two aces... makes for fascinating reading! I met a very old Luftwaffe mechanic once (who was in the same unit as Marseilles) at the Berlin tecknik museum - I remember him saying you could count the remaining cannon rounds after he returned from operations - as he was highly accurate in his deflection shooting and didn't waste ammunition - a true testament to outstanding marksmanship!! Cheers Alan Menelaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 I agree Dr.M, Marseille was a first class marksman and Hartmann was a skilled, cunning and opportunistic hunter... two very different yet effective strategies! We must not forget the differences in environment, opponents and equipment between the two aces... makes for fascinating reading! I met a very old Luftwaffe mechanic once (who was in the same unit as Marseilles) at the Berlin tecknik museum - I remember him saying you could count the remaining cannon rounds after he returned from operations - as he was highly accurate in his deflection shooting and didn't waste ammunition - a true testament to outstanding marksmanship!! Cheers Alan Alan yes...Marseille was THE ace of aces. Not want to make Hartmann a less better ace....I had the luck to meet Hartmann a few years before his death and shake his hand . It was a short meeting, but even that it was very impressive to see him and hear him. Even we didn't talk about those times he made a very positive impression to me.. alaninaustria 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBrown Posted April 30, 2018 Share Posted April 30, 2018 look at the pop and front canopy (this is a G type ) behind Marseille...is this his last AC?? That is a very interesting photograph. It is a poor likeness but comparison with another image clearly establishes that it is Marseille in the photo... The canopy and presence of the cooling scoop clearly confirm that the machine is a Bf 109 G. This would be one of six Bf 109 G-2/ Trops that 3./JG 27 received around September 20, 1942. This is the only photo I have seen of Marseille with a Bf 109 G in North Africa. rafju and Menelaos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted April 30, 2018 Author Share Posted April 30, 2018 this is also what I have.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) That is a very interesting photograph. It is a poor likeness but comparison with another image clearly establishes that it is Marseille in the photo... The canopy and presence of the cooling scoop clearly confirm that the machine is a Bf 109 G. This would be one of six Bf 109 G-2/ Trops that 3./JG 27 received around September 20, 1942. This is the only photo I have seen of Marseille with a Bf 109 G in North Africa. both photos are from the same day . Look at the pipe on his chest pocket...and the same sun potection glasses Edited May 1, 2018 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menelaos Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) is this one of the G2s in Africa? I can't see clearly if the windshild is from a G-one.. Edited May 2, 2018 by Menelaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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