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Trumpeter and Hasegawa Ju87D kits, an assessment?


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Since a topic appeared on the Trumpeter Ju87D, I'm curious about the two subject kits and I thought I'd start my own topic rather than subject that topic to scope creep. 

 

Just for my own knowledge, how does the Trumpeter Ju87D stack up to the Hasegawa Ju87D (or vice versa); the latter being somewhat difficult to acquire and expensive if found. For that matter, how do the kits fall short?  I know there's no such thing as the perfect model but since I have very little knowledge of the Stuka, I'd be interested to know the pros and cons of both kits. 

 

For the sake of arguments, lets keep personal opinions out as much as humanly possible....  This is NOT, repeat NOT a manufacturer/kit bashing thread.  If it turns that way, I'll ask the offending replies to be deleted and if they continue, the thread to be locked, depriving myself and the community of what I think would be beneficial information.  I'm only interested in comparing and contrasting the two kits against each other and to the original article.  If claims can't be backed up by credible evidence (no hearsay), I'd rather it not be brought into the discussion.  I'd really like to avoid the distasteful, caustic and thread-locking replies and will ask that any such replies be deleted by the moderators (As we all know, they have the final say on the disposition on any reply).  Accuracy, fidelity of details, overall fit, etc. are all good topics.  Disagreement is to be expected but if it's not presented with respect, I'll also ask that it be deleted (again, if the moderators have not already acted).  If there is merit in the reply, I may (again, through and at moderator discretion) ask that the author edit the post and remove the offending text and allow the rest to remain.

 

In the end, I want the best available information distilled from the community that I can get should I decide to purchase a Ju87D kit. I have but one or two references on the 87 and they're very basic at best.  I've come close to buying the Hasegawa kit a couple of times but begged off at the last second.  Maybe it was for a reason?  Let's hear what the you all have to say....

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The nose and spats are allegedly more accurate on the Hasegawa D offering. The Japanese edition also has decals for the complex interior canopy framing; Trumpeter have you paint them on the outside. I vote Hasegawa for accuracy.

 

But I love Trumpeter kits and the moving tail surfaces are separate parts. Hasegawa have that "scaled-up 1/48 scale kit look" to me whereas Trumpy kits have that 1/32 heft. And synthetic rubber tyres. I love them, others hate them. I vote Trumpeter for more fun.

 

Tony

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Let the pictures do the talking re: comparative complexity and decals:

 

Hasegawa D

http://www.modellversium.de/kit/artikel.php?id=1849

and G to see airframe parts, which are common to the D (ignoring the wing cannons)

http://www.modellversium.de/kit/artikel.php?id=1139&origin=sparte

 

Trumpeter D

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/234991104-132-junkers-ju-87d-stuka-by-trumpeter-released/

 

I should add that the Revell boxing of the Hasegawa D lacks the interior canopy frame decals.

 

HTH

 

Tony

 

 

edited to add extra link

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I have built the Hasegawa D kit in the past and it was fine, it didnt fight me too much. I have the Trumpeter G in the stash, I went for that over the Hasegawa offering due to the seperate flying surfaces. How it builds and how it looks when done we will find out when it's done. 

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All of the 1/32 Stuka kits as well as the aftermarket resin cockpits have a fantasy step between the front and the rear cockpit stations.

 

Thanks for the input.  What source can you provide for the lack of the step?  I don't believe I have any information on that specific issue. 

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I've built 2 of the Hasegawa kits, although one of them in a Revell box (I used the Hasegawa kits instructions to build it because the Revell instructions were a little tough to follow) the only trouble I had (probably my fault but on both kits) was the fit of the rear sliding canopy section. I ended up with a compromise 1/2 open rear sliding section. Otherwise I can't fault the Hasegawa kit... oh ya, the interior canopy framing decals revealed the clear carrier film on the canopy so I removed the used ones and didn't use them.

I have also have built the Trumpeter kit and can't remember having any issues... that couldn't be attributable to construction.

(Any and all ccuracy issues aside)

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I'd go for whichever kit you can can get at the lowest price. They are broadly comparable, Hasegawa bring a typical Hasegawa kit, with Trumpeter offering slightly more detail, such as a engine.

 

This is not one of Trumpy's dodgy kits, whilst Hasegawa never seem to produce the odd kit of questionable accuracy, like the MiG 3, P-51B, F4U, F4F and P-40B kits, which seem produced by Trump's B team.

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I'd go for whichever kit you can can get at the lowest price. They are broadly comparable, Hasegawa bring a typical Hasegawa kit, with Trumpeter offering slightly more detail, such as a engine.

 

This is not one of Trumpy's dodgy kits, whilst Hasegawa never seem to produce the odd kit of questionable accuracy, like the MiG 3, P-51B, F4U, F4F and P-40B kits, which seem produced by Trump's B team.

 

While agreeing with most of what you've written here ... I wouldn't say that Trumpy's Mig.3 falls into the 'B' team bracket ... it's fairly accurate in outline, and builds quite well according to reviews (such as the one in the link posted below) - if a little sparse on in-kit detailing.

 

https://modelingmadness.com/review/allies/ussr/cleaver32mig3.htm

 

Rog :)

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While agreeing with most of what you've written here ... I wouldn't say that Trumpy's Mig.3 falls into the 'B' team bracket ... it's fairly accurate in outline, and builds quite well according to reviews (such as the one in the link posted below) - if a little sparse on in-kit detailing.

 

https://modelingmadness.com/review/allies/ussr/cleaver32mig3.htm

 

Rog :)

 

Mine was the first non-70's Revell airplane kit I had built in decades, and other than having been shorted one of the metal pins for the flaps it went together pretty well for me. The airbrushing was a bit sloppy, but I was at the bottom of the learning curve then.

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Since a topic appeared on the Trumpeter Ju87D, I'm curious about the two subject kits and I thought I'd start my own topic rather than subject that topic to scope creep. 

 

Just for my own knowledge, how does the Trumpeter Ju87D stack up to the Hasegawa Ju87D (or vice versa); the latter being somewhat difficult to acquire and expensive if found. For that matter, how do the kits fall short?  I know there's no such thing as the perfect model but since I have very little knowledge of the Stuka, I'd be interested to know the pros and cons of both kits ...

 

Trumpeter:

 

As far as I know there are no external awful (readily recognisable) shape issues with the Ju.87D

The kit provides an amazing array of detail in parts selection ...

... and includes additional parts not used in the standard OOB build (eg: ordinance such as the underwing geißkanne pods for strafing operations) ... so there's that - if you're feeling creative and want to do some research.

Unfortunately there is the odd faux pas ... 

The first Ju.87 released was the 'B' ... which had the larger centreline bomb/rack fitted to the later D ...

It seems Trumpeter decided to 'overcorrect' by including the smaller bomb and rack - suitable for the 'B' - inside the D kit!!

There's no shorter squared-off wingtips and I think that the dive brakes are lacking in either mounts or length or both (I can't remember which).

 

Hasegawa

 

Typical Hase' kit here ... the moulds have held up fantastically well ... nice detail, without going overboard.

There's the Revell re-pop of these moulds also ... it may be a bit cheaper???

It also includes the shorter wingtips - which the Trumpy kit does not.

Assembly is probably not as 'snap-fit' as the Trumpeter kit ... but shouldn't pose any huge headaches when built.

 

In summary it's all about what YOU want! ... Both kits are lovely ...

 

The Trumpy will present less fit/finish issues than the Hase' kit - even with the larger parts count - It's a joy to build.

Having said that - any such 'issues' in the Hase' kit are minor anyway - the odd putty gap fill (you know - standard modelling stuff).

Unless you're REALY finicky any minor accuracy issues in the Trump kit can be forgiven ... but the incorrect main ordinance (being the purpose for the type!!) is a bit of stand out.

So ... you'd have to avail yourself of the correct centreline bomb and rack in order to accurately depict the AC marked in the box ... unless you already have the B kit in the stash, in which case - you're good to go!

 

Rog :)

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Thanks for the input. What source can you provide for the lack of the step? I don't believe I have any information on that specific issue.

Wartime technical manual views and some pictures. Specific used references were mentioned in the Trumpeter B tweak list. I am still puzzled nobody else complained about that issue. By the way if my memory's right the very old 1/24 type B made by Airfix had a correct cockpit floor. I know I posted a picture of the correction to be done on a Trumpeter kit some years ago on LSP. The problem is identical on the D and G kits.

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