Barry Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 I'm still trying to find the post (or the guy) that made the bottom center engine doors and inside detail. Any help?..............Harv Bruce Radebaugh is his name and his post I believe was under the Vendor thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted February 15, 2011 Share Posted February 15, 2011 Have a few more questions. I'm doing F-4D # 68-8775. Lt. Col. Girard, 366th, Da Nang 1968. I have the Black Box LORAN resin pit. My question is, since this bird was not a LORAN one, can I use the pit? If so, what do I omit, if anything? Also, is there anything else on the kit that I need to adress? TIA.....Harv Harvey, You should be able to use the cockpit as it is for a D model. The primary piece of the LORAN equipment that was visible in the CP was the Control/Key Pad. It was located above the Aft Inst. Panel and pretty much filled what little open space there was. The WSO forward visibility was very nearly completely blocked by the installation. Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladder4boy Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Wasn't the screen in the back different on the LORAN setup as well??? i thought i read something about it having a square screen instead of the round one.. as in it was more like a TV than a cathode ray tube type? I may be (and probably am) wrong tho! Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) As promised here is an overall photo of 66-8709 at Udorn, with antennae of the Bendix APS-107 RHAWS array. Excellent discussion! The broom is a nice touch. Best Regards, D.B. Edited February 16, 2011 by D.B. Andrus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Detail shot of 66-8709: It appears the top antenna is a slightly different shape than the bottom one. Edited February 16, 2011 by D.B. Andrus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Wasn't the screen in the back different on the LORAN setup as well??? i thought i read something about it having a square screen instead of the round one.. as in it was more like a TV than a cathode ray tube type? I may be (and probably am) wrong tho! Jerry You're right! Look here: http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/f4_d/rwo.jpg http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/f4_d/rwo_loran.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony T Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 As promised here is an overall photo of 66-8709 at Udorn, with antennae of the Bendix APS-107 RHAWS array. Excellent discussion! The broom is a nice touch. Best Regards, D.B. Excellent photo D B! That looks like a standard F-4D with the APS-107 gear. The antennae on the bottom of the nose barrel were exactly the same, but mounted on "shoes" - little bulges added to the nose barrel - so that the antennae 'stood' at the right angle. The rear radarscope was replaced by the 'squarer' design during the early-mid 1970s as part of the F-4D/E Digital Scan Converter upgrade. The 'round' display is accurate for a late 1960s Vietnam jet. The only problem you might face with the Tamiya kit is that the seats might be the earlier Martin Baker Mk5 type. I can't tell from the photo, but they don't look like the later zero-zero Mk.7s. Best, Tony T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Interesting info Tony. So the BB set seems to be more correct than I thought for an early LORAN bird. Sorry to have been misleading. Such seats are indeed Mk5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony T Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) Hi D B and all with any interest in the nose antennae, I have located a to-scale diagram showing the nose RHAWS antennae + "shoes" but can't post. They're on my desktop. Send me an e-mail and I'll return them to you for posting, for everyone. The pair of jpegs come to about 160kb only, as they are line drawings. The diagrams are relevant to the F-4D with the APS-107 config. (and also the F-4C Weasel). Cheers Tony T Edited February 16, 2011 by Tony T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 You're right! Look here: http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/f4_d/rwo.jpg http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/f4_d/rwo_loran.jpg Great shots, Thierry! Thanks. D.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Hi D B and all with any interest in the nose antennae, I have located a to-scale diagram showing the nose RHAWS antennae + "shoes" but can't post. They're on my desktop. Send me an e-mail and I'll return them to you for posting, for everyone. The pair of jpegs come to about 160kb only, as they are line drawings. The diagrams are relevant to the F-4D with the APS-107 config. (and also the F-4C Weasel). Cheers Tony T Images from Tony T: "Attached are the diagrams and photos that I think will help you. It's my pleasure, as I've wanted to see these done properly for a long time! The angular effect in the drawings would be rounded a little. They were not as sharp as shown." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share Posted February 16, 2011 Barry, tried looking for him last night, and can not find him or his post...............Harv Harvey, try this: http://partsrparts.homestead.com/start.html HTH, D.B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viper Enforcer Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 Bruce Radebaugh is his name and his post I believe was under the Vendor thread. Sure that wasn't Erik Mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 (edited) You're right! Look here: http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/f4_d/rwo.jpg http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/fighter/f4_d/rwo_loran.jpg The first photo shows the LORAN controls mounted center above Aft Inst. Panel. The second photo shows a standard aft cockpit arrangement (if there actually was such). There was no scope involved in the LORAN system as I remember. The differences in the Radar Scopes was due to the different radar installed in the C and D models. The C had the AN/APQ-100 and the D had the AN/APQ-109. Barry Edited February 19, 2011 by Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry laurent Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 Thanks Barry, I put both links to show the difference but with comments this is always better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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