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My 109 Addiction: Bf109G6 in 1/48: Build-off! 23/05/2018

Tamiya versus Eduard Painting begins!

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#46 Thomas Lund

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Posted 13 April 2018 - 10:13 AM

Yummy - you can NEVER have enough 109's

 

I don't do 1/48, but I've heard great things about the recent Tamiya one - looks like i heard that right

 

Looking good


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:14 AM

Guys,

   Thank you for the positive responses.  I appreciate your input.

 

In the end I couldn't live with the engine and front end being misaligned.   For some time I ruminated on a possible solution.  In the end I decided to sever the the engine bearer from the rest of the fuselage.

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The engine bearer is disconnected from the fuselage.  Yet, the engine is still attached by engine components which were glued on later.

 

After separating the bearer, I tested alignment of the cowling parts:  (next three photos)

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Thanks for looking!

 

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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:44 AM

I admire your persistence Gaz!

 

By now the segmented fuselage would be tempt me to give it the "Five Pound Hammer Test". :whistle:


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 02:40 AM

Heh...  After what I pad for this puppy, it ain't getting nothing but my most ardent affections.  I have chucked a more expensive project, but only after it letting it sit on the shelf of denial for over a year.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 09:07 AM

Heh...  After what I pad for this puppy, it ain't getting nothing but my most ardent affections.  I have chucked a more expensive project, but only after it letting it sit on the shelf of denial for over a year.

I don't blame you Gaz. Money is just one of the things that factors to consider in with a decision to strive for near perfection. The other is the amount of work we put into our project. If it's only a two day project then it's no big deal.................a project spanned out over the course of several months......................................is an entirely different situation. It almost mandates the very best we can do throughout the whole build. The leaning engine in my "Demon II" F-100 was too much for me to handle after everything I'd put into that truck. It almost becomes an "All or Nothing" deal in the quest to get it right. Very nice recovery friend.


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 07:50 PM

Joe,

   There's not only that.  This Tamiya build is completely new to me with many advanced engineering features.  But it's still a Tamiya kit, and I'd hate to be one of the few who were defeated by an otherwise perfect model. 

 

Gaz


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 09:22 PM

Actually, I sympathize with you Gaz.

 

I actually had the same thing happen with a Hobbycraft 1/48 F4U.

 

The mistake I made was actually trying to follow a very badly written instruction sheet, which gave an incorrect placement of the firewall/engine in respect to the cowling.


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Posted 18 April 2018 - 04:11 AM

Guys,

    Thank you for all of the likes and positive responses.  I'm still waiting on the Eduard wings to arrive...probably held up in customs...or something.

 

Today I've been polishing canopies prior to masking and trying to re-fuze the bearer arm with a large blob of glue while tape holds everything in place externally.  And now I'm here to show you some details that may sway you one way or another.

 

This image is pretty self-explanatory.  And I'm pretty disappointed that Tamiya didn't hollow these scoops out.

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Of course...  this is macro-vision.  But still.

 

And then there are the handholds.  One in front of each windscreen and one behind each canopy.

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On the Tamiya kit, they are just depressions in the plastic, lower than their surrounding surfaces. 

On the Eduard kit at the bottom, they are in the standard configuration of flush panels with grooves all-round.  With rivets added.

 

Both kits required a little putty between clear and colored plastic.  For the Eduard kit, it was along the back seam of the rearmost clear piece...the triangular shaped one.

 

For Tamiya kit, it was on the sides of the center-piece of the canopy.  The part was made to be built in the open position and comes with attaching lugs.  I've made a crude diagram to show why some putty was required to attach the canopy in the closed position.

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You'll notice that the bottom edges of the canopy are lower on the insides than on the out.

 

Thanks for looking,

 

Gaz


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Posted 23 April 2018 - 04:41 PM

That's interesting. You'd think that it'd be the other way around in regards to the scoops.


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 02:06 AM

I’m sure Tamiya had to draw the line somewhere, and that seems to have been it. Vector makes some nice resin scoops for the Zvezda kit, but honestly, in 1/48 they’re so small I’m not sure it’s worth the effort.

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Posted 24 April 2018 - 05:46 AM

I’m sure Tamiya had to draw the line somewhere, and that seems to have been it. Vector makes some nice resin scoops for the Zvezda kit, but honestly, in 1/48 they’re so small I’m not sure it’s worth the effort.

I have tried to hollow them out with both drill bit and knife but never satisfactorily.  That being said, once the model is completed I forget all about them.  But it still it is a nice improvement in molding techniques. 

 

Both kits have so much going for them.  But...the weekend edition is much cheaper than the only-edition Tamiya kit.  And, even if you go profipack you're still spending less money than the Tamiya kit. 

 

Gaz


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 10:17 PM

I just can't get past the big toothy looking exhausts on the Eduard kit.  It's one of those visual keys to the 109, and once you see it, to me it sticks out like a sore thumb.  Given how much effort Eduard put into completely re-doing their 109 tooling, it astounds me that nobody thought to measure the exhaust pipes and the opening in the cowling when they did the new design.  I think that's what happens when you get so deep into something - you can't see the forest for the trees.


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Posted 24 April 2018 - 11:03 PM

I just can't get past the big toothy looking exhausts on the Eduard kit.  It's one of those visual keys to the 109, and once you see it, to me it sticks out like a sore thumb.  Given how much effort Eduard put into completely re-doing their 109 tooling, it astounds me that nobody thought to measure the exhaust pipes and the opening in the cowling when they did the new design.  I think that's what happens when you get so deep into something - you can't see the forest for the trees.

 

Interesting.  I've never noticed this before.  I don't measure parts, but I do notice the lack of seams on the Eduard exhausts. 

 

An amazing thing is that there are size differences in the canopies.  The Eduard canopy is around 1mm longer than the Tamiya canopy.  I discovered this by making a copy of the Tamiya masks and overlaying the copy with a clear sheet of plastic, then laying kabuki tape over that.  I then traced the Tamiya masks on the kabuki tape.  I laid the masks starting from rear to front and was able to observe that not only is there a size difference, but also that there is a profile difference on the side panels of the windscreen.

 

So, who is right?  Really...I don't want to know.

 

Gaz


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Posted 25 April 2018 - 03:58 PM

So, who is right?  Really...I don't want to know.

 

Gaz

Right there with you on that one Gaz. I'm sure certain parts of either kit are dead on ....................while others aren't even close. In the end..............I just build 'em. lol 


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Posted 25 April 2018 - 05:08 PM

Thanks, Gaz, for doing this thread. I just started throwing a Tamiya 109 together last night so now I know what to look out for. It's been a while since I have done a 109 in this scale. Seems very small. I have liked everything about it so far except the seatbelt decal. Used it anyway as I am building it straight OOB. Really hope they do one in 1/32.

 

Jay


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