Basilisk Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 I haven't been here for a while and when seeing Thunnus' excellent Me 262 build, I thought a comparison of building the Tamiya kit using Aires resin detail set is maybe of interest to some. I started this build three weeks ago, so progress is still moderate. I know I shouldn't comence a new build as I still have so much to finish .... The aircraft I chose is one of the two mounts from Major Rudolf Sinner, Gruppenkommandeur (CO), III./JG 7 in its attractive striped camouflage. All drawings of this aircraft show the stripes in a diagonal pattern across the whole aircraft. I couldn't find out from what information this originated, but based on the picture below, I paint the stripes in a V pattern. With the exception of the nose, all other stripes do line up reasonably well. Of course it could be a third aircraft in this camouflage, but I find this rather unlikely as III./JG 7 had only six aircraft on its strength. And if it is a third aircraft, my model will represent two aircraft - one on each side. If someone knows more about the origin of the "diagonal" stripes I would love to hear it. BiggTim, Gazzas and D.B. Andrus 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 Here is the comparison between the Aires and the kit parts which is maybe of use for others. I do ask myself if the resin parts are a worthwhile addition. most of the additional stuff is the cabling, so will be interesting to see how it all looks with some paint on. One challenge with Aires resin are the instructions. They show how all the resin parts go together. But unfortunately no information at all how it all fits into the Tamiya kit Kagemusha, mustang1989, D.B. Andrus and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted May 24, 2018 Author Share Posted May 24, 2018 Had to start somewhere and chopping the wing apart to accommodate the slats was as good as any. Used a razor saw for the vertical cuts. And a scriber for the horizontal cut. Next was thinning the wheel bay surrounds. Right side is done. And all done here. The Aires outer wheel bay parts fit nicely. And the front part of the wheel bay fits well too. Also attached the PE stuff to the cockpit. I am not a great fan of that cream coloured resin as details are so hard to see. What I noticed on the Tamiya kit are rather thick trailing edges on the main wing and one thing I HATE are trailing edges out of scale. So had to do something about this. The wing on the top of the two pictures is how the trailing edge looks on the kit and the wing below that is the one I sanded down. Next in line was a coat of black primer and the base coats of some of the internal parts. Detail painting of these parts is next. Thanks for watching. Any comments and suggestions are welcome. Cheers, Peter Dragon, LSP_Kevin, LSP_K2 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Kevin Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Good to see you back, Peter! And great work as always. Kev BiggTim and Basilisk 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_K2 Posted May 24, 2018 Share Posted May 24, 2018 Always good to see another 262 here, regardless of scale. Basilisk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted May 26, 2018 Author Share Posted May 26, 2018 (edited) Good to see you back, Peter! And great work as always. Kev Thanks Kev. It's nice to be back and my two LSP builds are not forgotten. Always good to see another 262 here, regardless of scale. Indeed Kevin, but it is my first since I built the old Airfix kit in the sixties. Did try something new with this build and it will be interesting to see how it work out at the end. Stressed skin effect After I got this far I thought I better buy a new kit as this doesn't look too good. But then I thought just get on with it and see how it works out. Here I thought maybe not everything is lost I used the round chisel in the top of the picture to scrape the "dents" in the plastic. After several trials to polish the surface I found a 600 grid sanding sponge is working wonders. After progressively using finer sponges up to 4000 grid the wing was ready to once more mark the lines where the rivets go. I then used above five Rosie the Riveters to add the rivets. The riveters with the red dot on it are double row riveters which ensure a constant width of double row rivets After another work-out with some sanding sponges the wings didn't look bad at all. But where is my stressed skin effect gone? Well, here it is. Have to lower the light to create shadows to make them visible. The question is, will the effect be visible on the painted model? I guess only under certain lighting conditions - as with a real aircraft. Did also some of the detail painting on the internal parts. This is still work in progress and the parts still need the final semi-gloss varnish to seal everything in. For the undercarriage bay I will airbrush some translucent yellow paint first as most of the pictures I have seen the aluminium has a kind of yellowish hue to it. And the cockpit tub is also done. Will finish it off after the tub is incorporated into the undercarriage bay. Thanks for watching. Any comments and suggestions are always welcome. Cheers, Peter Edited May 26, 2018 by Basilisk LSP_Kevin and Gazzas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbird Posted May 29, 2018 Share Posted May 29, 2018 Hi, Nice work so far! I have one in 1/32 in the WIP thread and I opted for the same plane, eventually. I'll try to post pictures later if I can fix my camera. I also hesitated with the "V" camo but chose the parallel pattern eventually. I did so because painting a camo in a V pattern would be against a basic rule of camouflage, which is to break the shape of the plane (the "V" pattern rather accentuate it). Personally, I wouldn't have gone neither for a stressed skin effect nor with riveting since ME-262s were (partially) puttied and sanded smooth on the fuselage, engine nacelle and wings. I painted mine rlm82/70/76. The contrast is to high to be 81/82 and 82/70 was an authorised combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted May 30, 2018 Author Share Posted May 30, 2018 Much appreciate your reply. I painted mine rlm82/70/76. The contrast is to high to be 81/82 and 82/70 was an authorised combination. I came to the same conclusion and intend to paint mine also in 82/70/76 due to the high contrast on the pictures of the original. Would love to see your model painted with these colours. I also hesitated with the "V" camo but chose the parallel pattern eventually. I did so because painting a camo in a V pattern would be against a basic rule of camouflage, which is to break the shape of the plane (the "V" pattern rather accentuate it). I am still undecided which way to go. The purpose of the late war camouflage was mainly to disguise the aircraft on the ground and a parallel pattern does make more sense than a V shaped pattern which wouldn't blend well with the background when seen from above. Personally, I wouldn't have gone neither for a stressed skin effect nor with riveting since ME-262s were (partially) puttied and sanded smooth on the fuselage, engine nacelle and wings. I did a lot of reading and looked through many photos and what you say is correct, but I see it different. The Me 262 was built to a large part with the use of (unskilled) forced labor and the quality of the finished airframe wasn't the best. And as the aircraft was urgently needed in Squadron use, the finish was rushed. Yes the rivet lines had been covered by putty, but only at spots where it didn't meet the RLM guidelines for surface finish, which meant that the application of putty varied from airframe to airframe. Here are two pictures from a post at Large Scale Planes which makes some interesting reading. Putty in place in front of the cockpit, but not below the cockpit. And here the Aircraft at Hendon. And the wing surface of the Hendon aircraft. At the end it is a personal choice to rivet or not to rivet. Cheers, Peter LSP_Kevin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Wow, great work Peter, lots and LOTS of work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lud13 Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 (edited) All drawings of this aircraft show the stripes in a diagonal pattern across the whole aircraft. I couldn't find out from what information this originated, but based on the picture below, I paint the stripes in a V pattern. With the exception of the nose, all other stripes do line up reasonably well. Of course it could be a third aircraft in this camouflage, but I find this rather unlikely as III./JG 7 had only six aircraft on its strength. And if it is a third aircraft, my model will represent two aircraft - one on each side. If someone knows more about the origin of the "diagonal" stripes I would love to hear it. Well the last picture is the other Sinners ME 262. He had them painted both in diagonal stripes but in opposite pattern. So there os no V pattern style. Shot on the same occasion as your third picture but from the other side, the upper one is just a crop of this one And this is profile form I believe a Kagero book I hope this solves your problems with paint schemes. Edited May 30, 2018 by Lud13 Out2gtcha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warbird Posted May 30, 2018 Share Posted May 30, 2018 Hi Lud13 Actually this is a bit more complex than that, because these pictures show that there are 3 nose stripes on the starboard nose vs only 2 on the port nose. So if we consider that the 3 nose stripes aircrafts are the same, then it' s a V pattern. But the front stripe doesn't match, hence the 3rd aircraft theory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazzas Posted June 1, 2018 Share Posted June 1, 2018 Peter, Great work and great photos. I love the 262. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basilisk Posted June 3, 2018 Author Share Posted June 3, 2018 (edited) Wow, great work Peter, lots and LOTS of work! Thanks Brian. Yes, as soon as you add resin into a build things can get a bit complicated. Well the last picture is the other Sinners ME 262. He had them painted both in diagonal stripes but in opposite pattern. So there os no V pattern style. I hope this solves your problems with paint schemes. Hi Lud13 Actually this is a bit more complex than that, because these pictures show that there are 3 nose stripes on the starboard nose vs only 2 on the port nose. So if we consider that the 3 nose stripes aircrafts are the same, then it' s a V pattern. But the front stripe doesn't match, hence the 3rd aircraft theory... Lud, Warbird explained it nicely. Peter, Great work and great photos. I love the 262. Thanks Gaz, so do I. Worked on the wings this week. I totally forgot to prepare the lower wing to accommodate the Aires parts for the slats. So some more scraping was in order. The outer undercarriage bays and the inner base for the slats in place. And the outer bases for the slats. As you can see, some rails for the slats are missing. No I didn't brake them, I received the parts with them broken. Fortunately they still where in the bag so that I can repair it later. The fitted parts of the undercarriage bay are a bit of an enhancement over the Tamiya rendition. The upper wing needed to be modified to accommodate the resin part. First the Tamiya representation of the undercarriage bay had to be removed. Then some more grinding was needed to make the wing fit without any interference. Looks ok now. But there are some gaps on the outer slat bases next to the engine mount which needs to be corrected before I glue the wings together. Thanks for watching. Any comments and suggestions are always welcome. Cheers, Peter Edited June 3, 2018 by Basilisk LSP_Kevin and DonH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mustang1989 Posted June 5, 2018 Share Posted June 5, 2018 Man can I ever identify with the "guessing how it all goes together" for aftermarket resin pits and engines. I can't tell you how many times I've buried my head in my hands wondering why in the hell I ever chose the modified path instead of sticking to the kit parts. All the hard work will pay off but it's one heckuva journey getting to that point. Rock on brutha.........you're gonna do swell with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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