RadBaron Posted February 26 Posted February 26 Firmly in the "Daydreams" category, but a collaboration between the two would certainly produce an absolutely epic kit! 1 hour ago, mozart said: Interesting ideas, I have no "insider" information but I would have thought if collaboration exists it would be Peter providing Kotare with the 3D printed parts from his current Defiant whilst they, Kotare, do the IM fuselage, wings and clear parts, a la Typhoon mode. I think it's been acknowledged as the way ahead for many companies. I wondered about this too. Similar to how HGW released the 1/32 109 with all their upgrades and someone one else's plastic. Kotare by Airscale! We really are spoiled for choice Paul in Napier, RCPlym, airscale and 2 others 5
RCPlym Posted February 26 Posted February 26 I think there is no overriding reason for the two to collaborate insofar as hardware so to speak having thought about it. Is the Airscale IM plastic better than Kotare - and vice versa, and do Kotare want to go down the resin/printed parts route? I dunno! Only Airscale and Kotare can answer that... So long as they both keep going alone or together producing the outstanding kits they do!!! geedubelyer, Paul in Napier, mozart and 2 others 5
airscale Posted March 19 Author Posted March 19 afternoon ladies thanks for all your kind support It makes me smile to be mentioned in the same breath as Kotare, to me that is the pinnacle of kit manufacturing. Whilst Mark and I do chat quite often and doubtless support each others endeavours, I am pretty certain we would never collaborate in anything other than a hive mind As far as the Dornier goes, I am certain I am on my own - no-one else would be this mad. Revell should have done one to go with the Ju88 and He111, but they didn't so here we are. I am on my fifth iteration of injection moulded part design that are with the mouldmakers again for analysis. I am pretty close and all the parts are now defined. As soon as I get the nod, it will be on to surface detailing so I can get the final designs in as soon as possible - the clock is ticking and I desperately want a test shot for Telford. this will be a big kit, and with all I am throwing at it there will be a lot of parts and those will take a long time to print per kit, even at my max capacity, so it really will be limited production, maybe just 100 No clear idea on cost yet, but there are a frightening number of IM parts so the moulds will be appropriately expensive to make and while i will re-invest revenue from the Defiant and Typhoon, I can't go bankrupt while I have been waiting for the IM part audits, I have been getting other bits done - in this case designing the gear bay.. ..it is an open structure, so is a kit of parts that integrate with the engine mounts - here a test fit print at low res and no attention paid to orienting the parts for best results.. ..these assemble like this and allow for brass rods in the gear to keep it nice and rigid.. ..then those bits are assembled.. ..also printed the nacelle IM parts for fit test.. happy with that.. a few tweaks needed, but in principle it works - now I can finish the detailing in the bays.. TTFN Peter Out2gtcha, Fanes, JayW and 33 others 35 1
Rainer Hoffmann Posted March 19 Posted March 19 As always when I look at your work, Peter, words completely fail me. Cheers Raier Martinnfb 1
RCPlym Posted March 19 Posted March 19 31 minutes ago, airscale said: afternoon ladies thanks for all your kind support It makes me smile to be mentioned in the same breath as Kotare, to me that is the pinnacle of kit manufacturing. Whilst Mark and I do chat quite often and doubtless support each others endeavours, I am pretty certain we would never collaborate in anything other than a hive mind As far as the Dornier goes, I am certain I am on my own - no-one else would be this mad. Revell should have done one to go with the Ju88 and He111, but they didn't so here we are. I am on my fifth iteration of injection moulded part design that are with the mouldmakers again for analysis. I am pretty close and all the parts are now defined. As soon as I get the nod, it will be on to surface detailing so I can get the final designs in as soon as possible - the clock is ticking and I desperately want a test shot for Telford. this will be a big kit, and with all I am throwing at it there will be a lot of parts and those will take a long time to print per kit, even at my max capacity, so it really will be limited production, maybe just 100 No clear idea on cost yet, but there are a frightening number of IM parts so the moulds will be appropriately expensive to make and while i will re-invest revenue from the Defiant and Typhoon, I can't go bankrupt while I have been waiting for the IM part audits, I have been getting other bits done - in this case designing the gear bay.. ..it is an open structure, so is a kit of parts that integrate with the engine mounts - here a test fit print at low res and no attention paid to orienting the parts for best results.. ..these assemble like this and allow for brass rods in the gear to keep it nice and rigid.. ..then those bits are assembled.. ..also printed the nacelle IM parts for fit test.. happy with that.. a few tweaks needed, but in principle it works - now I can finish the detailing in the bays.. TTFN Peter Oh my good gracious! Kits within a kit! What more could a modeller ask for? You have upped the level of quality yet again! Just... Well just!! Troy Molitor and Martinnfb 2
Artful69 Posted March 19 Posted March 19 37 minutes ago, airscale said: ... As far as the Dornier goes, I am certain I am on my own - no-one else would be this mad. Revell should have done one to go with the Ju88 and He111, but they didn't so here we are. I am on my fifth iteration of injection moulded part design that are with the mouldmakers again for analysis. I am pretty close and all the parts are now defined. As soon as I get the nod, it will be on to surface detailing so I can get the final designs in as soon as possible - the clock is ticking and I desperately want a test shot for Telford. this will be a big kit, and with all I am throwing at it there will be a lot of parts and those will take a long time to print per kit, even at my max capacity, so it really will be limited production, maybe just 100 No clear idea on cost yet, but there are a frightening number of IM parts so the moulds will be appropriately expensive to make and while i will re-invest revenue from the Defiant and Typhoon, I can't go bankrupt ... Dearest Peter ... Awesome work as usual ... BUT ... 100 kits only? ... are you daft? (said with the accent on humour!) I know I want at least 1 ... maybe 2 ... and a bucket load of others on this forum alone (granted, it IS in the main, a 1/32 Forum) ... but I am sure there are others from other forums that have heard its in the works by now ... I'm certain Mark from Kotare said he wants one ... I think 100 kits will go in a flash ... The Do.17z is highly sought after in our scale ... for the very reason you mentioned ... I'd say a LOT more so than the Defiant ... and by all accounts, that one is doing very well - unless I've been misreading ... I can understand limitations, but if the preorders are flooding in and those ordering don't mind the wait ...??? I mean ... being honest, we've been waiting nearly 2 decades already what's another 3,6 or even 9 months?? Rog Troy Molitor, CODY, Martinnfb and 3 others 6
RadBaron Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Utterly spectacular, Peter, truly remarkable stuff!!!! Denzil Martinnfb and Troy Molitor 2
Troy Molitor Posted March 19 Posted March 19 I need to be on the 1/100 order list. Can't wait. Thanks for everything Peter. Each update is a smile to one's face. Martinnfb 1
Wouter Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Just incredible detailing Peter. Even for just a test shot it looks better then a lot of mainstream kits. I agree with the others, I'd recon you could sell more then a 100 kits (although the price could be a bit to much for some). Maybe a pre-sale when you're closer to production could help determing the production wants/needs? Martinnfb, Kagemusha and Rainer Hoffmann 3
Martinnfb Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Considering the exclusiveness of the release, 100 is a healthy number. williamj, geedubelyer and monthebiff 2 1
Hubert Boillot Posted March 19 Posted March 19 One thing for sure, it's going to be THE DEFINITIVe 1/32 Do-17 Kit 👍 ! Hubert Martinnfb, geedubelyer and Kagemusha 3
nmayhew Posted March 19 Posted March 19 what we have seen so far does look pretty spectacular! intuitively, 100 feels waaay too small a number, but it depends on price referencing your work to the HpH kits which might also be £500+ but are truly beasts to put together, there is no comparison, but obviously there has to be a point at which the price starts materially influencing demand wishing you every success as always Martinnfb 1
RCPlym Posted March 19 Posted March 19 7 minutes ago, nmayhew said: what we have seen so far does look pretty spectacular! intuitively, 100 feels waaay too small a number, but it depends on price referencing your work to the HpH kits which might also be £500+ but are truly beasts to put together, there is no comparison, but obviously there has to be a point at which the price starts materially influencing demand wishing you every success as always I'm thinking the £650 to £700 bracket. The tooling alone for the injection moulded parts will be a very substantial cost - even if it is of the 3D printed type for low runs - especially if there is to be only 100 kits. I have not been involved with injection moulding for a very long time, but over twenty years ago even small tools were up close to £10,000. The largest mould I had control of was well over £300,000 and the size of a small car and carved out of solid steel! 😬 Martinnfb, Palm-tree and nmayhew 3
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