LSP_Ron Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, chrish said: Even two engines ain’t enough when you go air to air demolition derby with Canada geese….just ask captain Sully Canada has air superiority all summer with the geese. and those nasty buggers don’t take crap from anybody OMG that made me laugh. Out2gtcha, D.B. Andrus, Martinnfb and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out2gtcha Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 If anyone hasn't seen the "Canada Gooses" episode of Letterkenny you are missing out! chrish, LSP_Ron and LSP_Matt 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 3 hours ago, JeepsGunsTanks said: I remember back in the day, the media was all over how terrible the M1 Abrams was... And the M2 Brad, and the F-16, and the F-15 and the list goes on and on. Hell, I still remember an article from the early 80’s that stated the US military only needed upgraded M60 tanks, more M113 tracks and re-engined F-4’s. Need to face it, many people are terrified of radical change. Neo and Oldbaldguy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John1 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 3 hours ago, James Rademaker said: The F-35 reminds me of the early 60’s when US defense secretary of defense Robert Mc Mara ( I know I spelled his name incorrectly) wanted to have commonality in US aircraft. Remember the F-111 for the Navy? All the extra changes for the F-4 for the USAF. From all the reports I have seen about the F-35’’s ACM data, when it when up against US F-16’s it LOST! Then , you add all of the extra costs for a USAF, US Navy and USMC VTOL platform in my opinion is a huge dog and drain on the taxpayer. Just my opinion. Jim And yet all those uneducated pilots seem to love their new ride. And all those ignorant Air Force procurement depts seem to keep awarding contracts to LM. Crazy…. They need to listen to the real experts. thierry laurent and Pete Fleischmann 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juggernut Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 (edited) Ron White-Radical Terrorist Canadian Geese WARNING - Colorful language so if you’re averse to raunchy language, listen anyway, it’s funnier than Hell. Don’t watch the video, it’s the comedian you’re wanting to listen to. Edited March 29, 2022 by Juggernut DrewH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewH Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 From my pilots perspective and talking to both F-35 & F-18E/F test pilots - both are good, capable platforms for the intent of each design. My choice, is the F-35. I've heard and seen what the Saab can (and can't) do - I want us to have the F-35. Nothing else fits the bill when it comes to our defence needs (sorry - insiders knowledge here). Our defence needs have changed from 10 and even 5 years ago and also how we would integrate with other nations in a conflict. This has to be taken into consideration and not looked at from a past perspective, if that's what one's doing. Without knowledge of current tactics and systems it's not easy to know what those needs are (if at all). Yes, we Canadians love our CF-18 - almost to a fault. That can't be used to put blinders on for the current needs of the Nation and our requirements. Single engine discussion - a goose could take out a CF-18 (there - said it, yea a perfect placed bird strike, a one in a million chance but is possible). Yes redundancy is nice if it fits the bill. Two reasons the F-18 beat out the F-16 in evaluations - the F100 engine and intake was a hoover vacuum and the system itself wasn't as proven in cold climates like Canada's north. Some countries had large growing pains in colder climates early on with the F-16. The F-35 & F135 engine (and possible upgrade) are proven by the Netherlands and Norway in cold climates already and with Finland shortly. Sure, there will be failures unfortunately, but there were with the CF-18 too (single engine issue on show demo in Lethbridge in 2016 led to a crash as one eg) but lessons from everyone will be implemented. The one benefit we have is lessons from several countries flying the F-35 currently when we learned concurrently with the CF-18. just my 2c (I'll get off my soap box now) Pete Fleischmann, John1, Kagemusha and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewH Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Juggernut said: Ron White-Radical Terrorist Canadian Geese WARNING - Colorful language so if you’re averse to raunchy language, listen anyway, it’s funnier than Hell. Yep! They sure are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Also there a huge argument to be made that our f-35's will always be in they full stealth configuration, we dont have the budget to hand external stores Ive live around Bagotville for a long time, the only thing ice ever seen mounted was gas tanks! Martinnfb, John1 and GreyGhost 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Matt Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 I've increasingly been getting the impression that sensor fusion and the capacity to be a C2 centre for wingman drones, or even other elements makes the f35 the go to platform. I often listen to the Fighter Pilots Podcast...the F35. In another episode on the plane it was discussed by one of the test pilots in that podcast as well. Jello who interviews him is an ex-Navy Topgun F18 and F16 pilot. Whats up with the F35 HTH Matty NB: our RAAF has a mix of F18's and F35's. Martinnfb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldbaldguy Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Not a big fan of the F-35 mostly because of the dishonest (in my opinion) way Lockheed sold it to DOD, but fighter pilots like bright pointy things so it was a done deal long before the airplane ever saw daylight. It was never, ever to my knowledge intended to be a mini F-22 like most people think but more of a hive-mind fighter that can control large segments of the battle space because it can talk to and use everything else in the air with it. It’s more science fiction than furball. I don’t like cars that drive themselves, cell phones with more features than I can use, subcutaneous micro chips or talking to mechanical things to make them do what I want but this is where we are. Old farts like me, and most of you for that matter, don’t have to like it because we’ll never have to try to fight with it, but the kids who were born with surgically attached iPhones seem to love the thing and they are who will use it to its max potential no matter whose colors it wears. Canada could do a lot worse, I think - they could go shopping for Arrows and end up with F-5s. Again. Martinnfb and GreyGhost 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinnfb Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 This whole F-35 marketing story strongly resonates with the F-104 saga, sell it to everyone, for everything. chrish, GreyGhost and Eagle Driver 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyGhost Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 iF-35 ..? ~Gregg Martinnfb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Driver Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, LSP_Ron said: Big mistake if you ask me, the F-35 is not the right plane for us. Single engine anything is not the right plane for us. True. However the people in power managed to kick the can down the road long enough. Same with Germany. You cannot fight Corporations easily. Nobody cares if pilots should rely on one or two engines. Money is all that matter. I just read that 33 F-22 will be sent to AZ Boneyard in fiscal 2023. To 'use the money to improve the rest of the F-22 and F-35 and for new advanced research" Are you kidding me? Of course twin jet. Anytime a TWIN. ANY time. F35C... C as in crap. What comes next? Single-Engine Atlantic Crossing maybe. I long for the times of the Tri-jets, the Tomcats and others... 3 hours ago, Martinnfb said: This whole F-35 marketing story strongly resonates with the F-104 saga, sell it to everyone, for everything. AMEN! Edited March 29, 2022 by Eagle Driver Martinnfb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeroen_R90S Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Despite the enormous costs I'm happy we were in early on the F-35s. Is there a sudden interest in Rafales, Gripens, Typhoons and F-15EX-es as well, by the way? Haven't heard a lot about these other contenders. Curious, Jeroen Martinnfb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Driver Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Just now, jeroen_R90S said: Despite the enormous costs I'm happy we were in early on the F-35s. Is there a sudden interest in Rafales, Gripens, Typhoons and F-15EX-es as well, by the way? Haven't heard a lot about these other contenders. Curious, Jeroen Rafale is selling quite well last 2-3 years actually. Again, for political reasons there are many bumps along the way for the French. Typhoon is a great jet, however more high-altitude oriented. F-15EX is expensive and old design, Gripen is rather a poor man's coat. Single engine as well. For me, Canada was either for Super Hornet or for Rafale. I would bet on the Rafale. Beautiful jet with even better capabilities. Martinnfb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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