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1 hour ago, Radub said:

On the G-14 the compressed air bottles for the MK 108 were relocated to the left wing in the space previously occupied by the ammunition for the MG 151. The access hatch for the MG 151 ammunition was used to refill the bottles. There is original Messerschmitt information, which was also published in other books, that supports this. If you think that the U4 compressed air bottles should be elsewhere on the G-14, then you can easily relocated these bottles in that location, no major issue. 

Radu 

 

Nope. You are confusing with the K4 here.

 

  • On the G14/U4 and G10/U4 the MK108 bottles are under the MW50 tank and the breathable oxygen bombs are in the left wing. The Mk108 bottles were filled up via a hatch on the right side of the rear fuselage. The breathable oxygen bombs were refilled via a hatch on the right side of the fuselage right after the cockpit
  • On the G6/U4 the MK108 bottles are under the battery tray in the tail and the breathable oxygen bombs are behind the main fuel tank. The Mk108 bottles were filled up via a hatch on the right side of the rear fuselage. The breathable oxygen bombs were refilled via a hatch on the right side of the fuselage right after the cockpit
  • On the K4 the MK108 bottles are in what used to be the 20mm ammo tray in the left wing and the breathable oxygen bombs are in the right wing. The Mk108 bottles were filled up via what used to be the 20mm loading hatch on the left wing. The breathable oxygen bombs were refilled via a hatch underneath the right wing

 

You can check the internal pictures of the surviving G10/U4 plane in the US before restoration for confirmation.

 

One problem with book printing original MT documentation is that they sometimes get the wrong context.

 

The K4 spare part manual, recovered crashed K4s wings, G14 part manual addendum and recovered crashed G14 wings leave no doubts on where the various bottles were

 

;)

 

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On 4/18/2022 at 3:24 PM, Radub said:

 

There is an engine stand included in the kit. BTW, every ZM kit includes an engine stand, they always include one as part of the "runner" (sprue) for the engine. 

Radu

Radu. Quick question on the engine stands. Do the earlier kits have the stands?  Looking at the He-219 and Ta-152 I am not seeing anything like a stand in the sprues for the engine. Just curious as I would love to display one of the He-219 engines. 
 

Thanks 

Paul 

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4 hours ago, Paul2660 said:

Radu. Quick question on the engine stands. Do the earlier kits have the stands?  Looking at the He-219 and Ta-152 I am not seeing anything like a stand in the sprues for the engine. Just curious as I would love to display one of the He-219 engines. 
 

Thanks 

Paul 

 

In as far as I know the first model to include a stand was the Horten 229. 

Radu

 

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21 hours ago, Radub said:

You can move the bottles under the tank, if it is so important to you, it will take absolutely no extra time to do, no modification to any part needed. If you choose to close the fuselage, this will not be visible. 

Radu 

It's not "important" to me, I'm not building models anymore. It's just that given the amount of "details" provided in the kit, having them at the right location in the instructions would be a nice touch

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On 4/19/2022 at 5:06 AM, Vincent said:

 

Nope. You are confusing with the K4 here.

 

  • On the G14/U4 and G10/U4 the MK108 bottles are under the MW50 tank and the breathable oxygen bombs are in the left wing. The Mk108 bottles were filled up via a hatch on the right side of the rear fuselage. The breathable oxygen bombs were refilled via a hatch on the right side of the fuselage right after the cockpit
  • On the G6/U4 the MK108 bottles are under the battery tray in the tail and the breathable oxygen bombs are behind the main fuel tank. The Mk108 bottles were filled up via a hatch on the right side of the rear fuselage. The breathable oxygen bombs were refilled via a hatch on the right side of the fuselage right after the cockpit
  • On the K4 the MK108 bottles are in what used to be the 20mm ammo tray in the left wing and the breathable oxygen bombs are in the right wing. The Mk108 bottles were filled up via what used to be the 20mm loading hatch on the left wing. The breathable oxygen bombs were refilled via a hatch underneath the right wing

 

You can check the internal pictures of the surviving G10/U4 plane in the US before restoration for confirmation.

 

One problem with book printing original MT documentation is that they sometimes get the wrong context.

 

The K4 spare part manual, recovered crashed K4s wings, G14 part manual addendum and recovered crashed G14 wings leave no doubts on where the various bottles were

 

;)

 

Good info Vince, appreciate you taking the time to pull this together for us. 

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18 hours ago, Vincent said:

It's not "important" to me, I'm not building models anymore. It's just that given the amount of "details" provided in the kit, having them at the right location in the instructions would be a nice touch

Thank you Vince. Never quit 

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Don't get me wrong, the kit seems nice overall but there are numerous glitches, most likely from using outdated books (?)

 

A few examples that I spotted so far :

 

  • Part E25 for the engine is wrong. The filler for cooling liquid was only on the left side tank, not on the right one
  • On wooden tail planes, the oil radiator (parts E41 and E42) was a bit different as a horse shoe shaped cast iron counterweight was installed behind it
  • Some of the engine piping seems a bit suspicious
  • In the cockpit, in addition to what I mentionned earlier, the part G23 would only be applicable to a very early G6. During the G6 production the fuel priming pump with integrated fuel reserve (depicted here with both the pump knob and the filler cap) was replaced with a split system where the pump was in the cockpit on a metal bracket and the fuel reserve was in a 3L tank in the tail area, with a dedicated filler hatch on the right side of the spine

The G6, G14 and G10 versions are really hard to get right...

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On 4/22/2022 at 2:00 PM, Vincent said:

In fact I might even buy the kit and share the build here to demonstrate what needs to be corrected

 

;)

No doubt some of us are already holding our breath :rolleyes:

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2 hours ago, Vincent said:

Don't get me wrong, the kit seems nice overall


It is hard not to “get you wrong”. You know… for someone who, allegedly, “loves the Bf 109’, you show very little “love” for a model that was intended to be as accurate as possible. The things that are right with this model outnumber thousandfold all the bad things you concentrated on.  Does this model have “issues”? It is extremely possible. No model is perfect, no manufacturer ever managed that. So far, the “issues” you found are very small-to-unnoticeable and easily fixed. Why don’t you spend as much time listing all the good things that this model got right? No one will think of you as a less of an “expert” if you also said nice things. 
Radu

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