Radub Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 30 minutes ago, monthebiff said: Radu, I agree, you know the industry and how it works but you don't know WnW payment terms with their supplier do you? Or do you? So therefore quite a lot of work could well have been done which equalls tens of thousands of dollars of work done in advance of payment which never materialised? Happens all the time in business doesn't it, a customer keeps placing orders and have paid their invoices before but but then things start to go wrong and suppliers not getting paid until they are screaming and putting accounts on hold. Maybe WnW were spreading their mold tool work around quite heavily for this very reason. Maybe I'm wrong but look at the Dr.I? Regards. Andy Well, I can turn all of these questions right back at you. Yes, there are “dodgy dealers” in this industry, and maybe WNW is one of them. I don’t know that, but I doubt it. If WNW owed me money I would Google “law firms in New Zealand” and ring the first number that pops up. I am sure that there are law firms in New Zealand that would cherish the chance to take a swing at Peter Jackson. Of all the options available to the workshop, selling the moulds was the worst choice. Radu mark williams, barkhorn and Pup7309 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) How relevant is what happened/ what isn’t going to happen in China if it’s a no go zone for IP and international law. Isn’t the main battleground going to be PJs lawyer’s ability to stop them exporting to any other country making it financially unviable for Chinese or other countries to do this to WNW kits without their say so? So successfully threatening distributors and eBay etc. Just my layman’s read of it Edited November 6, 2021 by Pup7309 azzaob 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 (edited) I think PJ should give up on movies for a bit and get his modelling sh_t together. Edited November 6, 2021 by Pup7309 Paramedic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted November 6, 2021 Share Posted November 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Radub said: However, as Border explained in their post at the top of this thread, the workshop did not complete the work and sold the mold before they finished the work that they were contracted to do. Border explained in great detail that they had to finish the work. It’s difficult to finish the work when the entire team behind the design gets fired. From the standpoint of the tooling shop there was and is zero prospect that WnW would re-engage to finish the tooling, in which case they would be out for tens if not hundreds of thousands for work done. azzaob and Pup7309 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Radub said: I don’t know that, but I doubt it. If WNW owed me money I would Google “law firms in New Zealand” and ring the first number that pops up. I am sure that there are law firms in New Zealand that would cherish the chance to take a swing at Peter Jackson. Of all the options available to the workshop, selling the moulds was the worst choice. Radu Google “Donald Trump lawsuit,” the guy would use his lawyers to deny and delay until the suing firm, and there were hundreds of contractors he stiffed, either gave up or, often, went out of because because of the unpaid bills. Filing suit against Peter Jackson, one of the richest people in New Zealand carries the same risk for anyone without very deep pockets and the willingness to likely wait years for a resolution. ScoobyDoo, johncrow and Pup7309 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Radub said: No single workshop in the whole wide world would even contemplate starting the work on a tooling without an advance payment. Radu Obviously, but without the final payment, the company contesting the work owns precisely zero of the finished tooling. Pup7309, eoyguy and Lee White 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 hours ago, DrewH said: None, but that isn't the real issue. In my opinion, WNW legal is buying time to take the mold manufacturer to court in an attempt to deem the sale wrongful to stop Border PJ doesn’t want to stop Border because he’d then still have to pay for the tooling and WnW is no longer a going concern to produce the kit. He wants a share of the sales of the kit. This is about money he thinks he’s owed. Pup7309 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, VMA131Marine said: Obviously, but without the final payment, the company contesting the work owns precisely zero of the finished tooling. So for the layman it’s like buying a house or anything, you can ‘buy’ it but if you don’t make payments it gets repossessed. Except this has some degree of IP which as established don’t mean squat there. But does to the places potentially exported to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, VMA131Marine said: PJ doesn’t want to stop Border because he’d then still have to pay for the tooling and WnW is no longer a going concern to produce the kit. He wants a share of the sales of the kit. This is about money he thinks he’s owed. So Border will realised they are blocked and might as well pay him off rather than get involved in big law suit. So best case for WNW no one makes it without consent or if not they pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adameliclem Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Meanwhile, the people who made the tooling for the Handley Page have decided that the molds will make great ballast in the beds of their F-150s. Rick Griewski and Pup7309 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxim61 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 If this ends up in a court of law in China, good luck as a foreigner trying to win the case. Think I'll need more popcorn before this one pans out. Pup7309 and Dpgsbody55 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewtonK Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 If this does go to court, there will be no winners, the costs will only be added to the kit,which may not ever be released. Then there's the appeal process to consider, too. Knowing the actors in this, I'm almost inclined to buy a kit out of support for Border. But then, I'd want to add a crew, too. Good bye close to 1k in model budget. Pup7309 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokeyforgothispassword Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 hours ago, VMA131Marine said: PJ doesn’t want to stop Border because he’d then still have to pay for the tooling and WnW is no longer a going concern to produce the kit. He wants a share of the sales of the kit. This is about money he thinks he’s owed. I doubt that SPJ is concerned about the cash, he’s got more cash than one could reasonably expect to spend on hookers and coke in a lifetime, but he does have an ego to protect, he commissioned the R&D on the Lancaster, a pet project of his, so I’m not surprised that he wants to defend his IP. Pup7309 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dpgsbody55 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Wow. Ten pages in three days. You'd think it was about a new Tamiya release!! But after wading through this lot, I'm mostly confused as to who did what, owns what, and have no idea as to the likely outcome. But I don't care as I was never going to buy one anyway. Just thought I should say something on this, as everyone else has. Cheers, Michael Paramedic, lawman56, johncrow and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheetah11 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just be glad there is an alternative in the form of HK. Pup7309 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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