Dave Williams Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Are they counting the shops that have removed the listings or canceled orders in the “sold out” count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevepd Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I thought all sales were suspended? KiwiZac 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paramedic Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) https://hobbybokhandeln.biz/pshop2com/index.php?id_product=9473&rewrite=avro-lancaster-bmkiiii-wfull-interior&controller=product One of my local stores.. Dunno who their supplier is of course.. But it is still pre-order-able.. Edited November 13, 2021 by Paramedic LSP_K2 and RNoAF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frothingillbellows Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Back for sale on Border Model Aliexpress shop as well for sale by the usual Chinese Ebay sellers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmayhew Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 It’s alive!!! LSP_K2 and chrish 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 11:39 PM, Dave Williams said: I do, but haven’t gotten any notification from them. However, looking at my order, now it has this note: DISCONTINUE ITEM, PROCUREMENT STILL GO ON, SUGGEST TO EXCHANGE WITH OTHER ITEM LuckyModel order status now back to PRE ORDER ITEM, RELEASE UPON ARRIVAL. Paramedic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis7423 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 My guess is Border is balking at the lawsuit, and pressing on. Get 'em while you can! - Dennis S. Thornton, CO USA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Dennis7423 said: My guess is Border is balking at the lawsuit, and pressing on. Get 'em while you can! - Dennis S. Thornton, CO USA I haven’t heard there is any actual lawsuit, just lawyer letters, which are meaningless. Until a suit is filed and a judge halts sale or distribution, it seems Border is going to do what it wants to do. scvrobeson, frothingillbellows, RLWP and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frothingillbellows Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dave Williams said: I haven’t heard there is any actual lawsuit, just lawyer letters, which are meaningless. Until a suit is filed and a judge halts sale or distribution, it seems Border is going to do what it wants to do. There can’t be no lawsuit at this stage because the models are not released yet and WW has to provide to a court evidence that their IP is being infringed. No court will stop sales on a mere allegation alone without evidence. That can’t be done until the kits and instructions are in the public domain. If there is any IP theft it would be most obvious in the instructions where details can be compared for infringements. Border have been careful to note that they had no WW documentation, plans, drawings or instructions when they obtained the molds and reversed engineered anything that could be IP related. It would be hard to prove that the IP infringement exists in the actual plastic parts as the molds and any imbedded IP had been abandoned by WW it appears and forfeited to the manufacturer. At this stage it’s just a bluff to scare off distributors and sellers. These are not the type of businesses that can afford the threat of expensive court cases. Whilst IP laws have been tightened up considerably in China, I imagine WW will have a hard time convincing their courts since they haven’t been allegedly paying their bills and acting in good faith. Border have indicated that their initial run is nearly sold out. I doubt any court can apply retrospective judgement on a distributor for buying and selling the kits in good faith before anything is proven. The judgement will be on the kit manufacturer if IP laws have been breached and that has to be in China. This is my opinion anyway. Edited November 14, 2021 by frothingillbellows Lee White, Gazzas, scvrobeson and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince14 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 6 hours ago, frothingillbellows said: There can’t be no lawsuit at this stage because the models are not released yet and WW has to provide to a court evidence that their IP is being infringed. No court will stop sales on a mere allegation alone without evidence. That can’t be done until the kits and instructions are in the public domain. If there is any IP theft it would be most obvious in the instructions where details can be compared for infringements. Border have been careful to note that they had no WW documentation, plans, drawings or instructions when they obtained the molds and reversed engineered anything that could be IP related. It would be hard to prove that the IP infringement exists in the actual plastic parts as the molds and any imbedded IP had been abandoned by WW it appears and forfeited to the manufacturer. At this stage it’s just a bluff to scare off distributors and sellers. These are not the type of businesses that can afford the threat of expensive court cases. Whilst IP laws have been tightened up considerably in China, I imagine WW will have a hard time convincing their courts since they haven’t been allegedly paying their bills and acting in good faith. Border have indicated that their initial run is nearly sold out. I doubt any court can apply retrospective judgement on a distributor for buying and selling the kits in good faith before anything is proven. The judgement will be on the kit manufacturer if IP laws have been breached and that has to be in China. This is my opinion anyway. 100% agree - PJ/WNW know that they will have a very difficult time winning a case in China (especially if, indeed, they haven't paid their bills there). The letters to the distributors were really a last-ditch attempt to prevent the kit being sold. monthebiff and frothingillbellows 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trak-Tor Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Telford: Juraj Stevepd, Zola25, nmayhew and 14 others 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozart Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 Is that all? Rick Griewski, nmayhew and Stevepd 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotsman Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 (edited) Released as a Part work? - might make the purchase price a little easier to swallow.. Edited November 15, 2021 by Scotsman Rick Griewski, alanash1963, Stevepd and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Beck Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, mozart said: Is that all? I fear so. What you see is a pictorial metapher after the "successful" Brexit-Corona-Double-Punch. I hope SMW will recover from this. But I doubt. Paul in Napier 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 1 hour ago, mozart said: Is that all? It’s 15% so doesn’t infringe IP nmayhew, Paul in Napier, scvrobeson and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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