Ossington 1 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Amen to that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage the Owl Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 22 hours ago, Andreas Beck said: Judging by another set of posts i've just seen on FB that P40 is a Great Wall Hobby project, so could that be an indicator of who will be releasing the Lanc ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.T Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 3 hours ago, gwana said: If the current holder of the moulds has minimal investment in R&D (let's speculate WNW had paid for a majority of mould-making costs before they went bust), then it only seems like good business that *someone* tries to get a return on all of this work. What's the point of acquiring the moulds otherwise? Or (speculation) let's say they were partnering with Meng or another Chinese venture to do the actual sprue pops. Meng, et al retain ownership of the moulds because WNW either sold them off or failed to pay them off. Now what? Melt them down? Put them in a warehouse like Raiders of the Lost Ark? Or invest just a little more in instructions, boxing, and decals and put in on shelves. It only makes sense to produce this model if it was 98% complete anyway. to me it looked 98% finished...we shall see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiZac Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/19/2021 at 6:38 PM, LSP_Kevin said: I'm wondering if that's [HP O/100] what we're seeing in those thumbnails on the Kotare website. Kev Not that it's germane to the Lanc, but you've got pondering the likelihood of a Vimy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Phantom Posted August 23, 2021 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) was never keen to but the HK lanc at 460 aussie, ill pay 600 aussie for this one though by putting wife on marketplace Edited August 23, 2021 by The Phantom Scotsman, chrish, Pup7309 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VMA131Marine Posted August 24, 2021 Share Posted August 24, 2021 On 8/22/2021 at 6:58 AM, Ossington 1 said: This metal is somewhere, (including the Lanc) and in legal limbo, awaiting bankruptcy auditors etc. WnW did not go into bankruptcy. They just effectively stopped trading. Since the company’s assets and debts were held by one person, Sir PJ, he’s not legally forced to do anything as long as all his external suppliers were paid up or satisfied in some other manner (cf. Fokker Dr.I, Meng). Dave Wilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scvrobeson Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 On 8/22/2021 at 1:42 AM, Kagemusha said: Extremely disappointing to hear there has been racist comments voiced in his direction, there is no place for it anywhere. Happens a lot whenever a Chinese company is involved with things. Matt adameliclem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scvrobeson Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 On 8/22/2021 at 7:07 AM, John1 said: (except WNW, which didn't seem to worry about their P&L). And look where it got them Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misha71 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 waiting for this fantastic model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 On 8/22/2021 at 5:00 PM, Troy Molitor said: I can only hope this comes to light. Both kits look to be epic. . On 8/22/2021 at 9:56 PM, Radub said: All commercial contracts have a clause that states "all goods remain the property of the supplier until paid in full". If you have a house you bought with a bank loan, see what happens if you stop paying your loan repayments. The CAD artwork has a value, a few tens of thousands of dollars, but cutting the steel molds for such a giant monster of a model costs hundreds of thousands of dollars, many times more than the value of the CAD artwork. If the final payment is not issued, the mold manufacturer continues to own the work that they spent time, effort and resources to produce. The mold manufacturer is entitled to seek ways to cover the loss. Even if WNW were to bring them to court, they may win nothing and find themselves slapped with a court order to cover the losses incurred by the mold manufacturer, plus interest and penalties. Radu This is a good point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 On 8/23/2021 at 2:51 AM, gwana said: If the current holder of the moulds has minimal investment in R&D (let's speculate WNW had paid for a majority of mould-making costs before they went bust), then it only seems like good business that *someone* tries to get a return on all of this work. What's the point of acquiring the moulds otherwise? Or (speculation) let's say they were partnering with Meng or another Chinese venture to do the actual sprue pops. Meng, et al retain ownership of the moulds because WNW either sold them off or failed to pay them off. Now what? Melt them down? Put them in a warehouse like Raiders of the Lost Ark? Or invest just a little more in instructions, boxing, and decals and put in on shelves. It only makes sense to produce this model if it was 98% complete anyway. True. And what can PJ do about it anyway? I can't imagine him willingly giving his baby over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 9:59 AM, VMA131Marine said: WnW did not go into bankruptcy. They just effectively stopped trading. Since the company’s assets and debts were held by one person, Sir PJ, he’s not legally forced to do anything as long as all his external suppliers were paid up or satisfied in some other manner (cf. Fokker Dr.I, Meng). I'm not sure how it works but PJ didn't go bankrupt. And why would he cut loose something that had so much R & D gone into it. And the investment outlay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adameliclem Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 7 hours ago, Pup7309 said: I'm not sure how it works but PJ didn't go bankrupt. And why would he cut loose something that had so much R & D gone into it. And the investment outlay? One could ask the same about having two full size Lancaster replicas built for a movie, then not making the movie. He seems to be a pretty whimsical fella. 6 hours ago, MARU5137 said: Onto other more ( MUCH MORE) lucrative ventures...Films...? WETA, the special effects company he founded, is an international powerhouse now, with a diverse portfolio. Lots and lots and lots of money coming in. Oh, and they made an artificial teat to nurse a lost baby orca. Adam Pup7309, Paramedic and Rick Griewski 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSP_Ray Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 13 hours ago, Pup7309 said: I'm not sure how it works but PJ didn't go bankrupt. And why would he cut loose something that had so much R & D gone into it. And the investment outlay? 12 hours ago, MARU5137 said: Onto other more ( MUCH MORE) lucrative ventures...Films...? If what Jennings reported is true about Border Model has a chunk of WNW molds, then there probably was a lot of negotiations going on. PJ may not have been on a good foundation if Border already had several molds in their possession already. Still, I doubt Border got them for free. Pup7309 and LSP_K2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pup7309 Posted September 29, 2021 Share Posted September 29, 2021 (edited) It seems like he (Peter Jackson) acted in haste to repent at leisure. Or not. If the overseas company had the assets, wanted to re coupe costs, and could ignore IP then I'd say they had him over a barrel. Oh well plenty of movies and other projects- he remastered the LOTR and Hobbit as well as doing a Doco about the Beatles during Covid closures. WNW - it was good for what it was, we can thank him for that. Edited September 29, 2021 by Pup7309 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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