npb748r Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57348573 No great surprise that a military contract is both over overrunning in timescales and budget, that seems to be standard however this one looks like there's some design problems as well. I'm no expert in armoured vehicles but it strikes me that it will need to be able to reverse over an obstacle that is higher than 20cm's, the maximum that the new Ajax has managed to achieve so far. Not sure if this is General Dynamics or MOD fault however it doesn't look good for all concerned. We should have got British Leyland to build it based on an Allegro. GusM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vince14 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 This is why I always laugh when I see companies advertising their products as 'military grade'. Military Grade just means it was built as cheaply as possible by the lowest bidder to a poorly thought out project scope. npb748r, Daywalker, Rick Griewski and 5 others 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerwomble Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 20 year old design , started at 19 tonne .............now a 40 tonne reconnaissance light tank ...can't go fast ....cant go anywhere for long and can't go backwards ....MOD procurement at it's best ... Stevepd and npb748r 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eoyguy Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Hey, at least its not the three, 4.2 billion PER unit Zumwalt class destroyer which were designed and built around a gun system that used special projectiles whose procurement was cancelled, making the guns useless cause that's all they can fire. Plus they were designed with a hull shape that possibly makes them susceptible to rolling over in heavy seas. Or the 4 LCS's that are going to be decommissioned, all being 12 years old or less, of which, several had problems with of all things, galvanic corrosion. I mean, who woulda thunk a a $700 million warship would need some kind of protection against galvanic corrosion??? John1, npb748r, D.B. Andrus and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLWP Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 40 minutes ago, Panzerwomble said: 20 year old design , started at 19 tonne .............now a 40 tonne reconnaissance light tank ...can't go fast ....cant go anywhere for long and can't go backwards ....MOD procurement at it's best ... Yeah, well - that's how between-wars procurement always is. Shifting requirements, budget cuts, scope creep, bright ideas, last war requirements, committee management and so on. I bet that's how many of your Blackburn delights came into being If you're lucky, one or two of these projects will actually have some value in the next war. Not all those beautiful 1930's Hawker biplanes, just the dowdy Hurricane Richard npb748r, D.B. Andrus and MikeC 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerwomble Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 7 hours ago, RLWP said: Yeah, well - that's how between-wars procurement always is. Shifting requirements, budget cuts, scope creep, bright ideas, last war requirements, committee management and so on. I bet that's how many of your Blackburn delights came into being If you're lucky, one or two of these projects will actually have some value in the next war. Not all those beautiful 1930's Hawker biplanes, just the dowdy Hurricane Richard A good point , always planning to fight the last war ...in this case more "up armouring" than conventional roles will ever need . And don't forget the job trading .......£5.5bn to secure a whole 250 jobs in the heart of classic tank building country Myther Tydwell ........meanwhile we loose 10% of pubs and restaurants employing who knows how many in just 12 short months ...... I'll stop now............. and relax in the only way I know ....... ahh...... Blackburn ...in this case a Beverly having just given birth to a new baby DUKW D.B. Andrus and npb748r 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerwomble Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, eoyguy said: Hey, at least its not the three, 4.2 billion PER unit Zumwalt class destroyer which were designed and built around a gun system that used special projectiles whose procurement was cancelled, making the guns useless cause that's all they can fire. Plus they were designed with a hull shape that possibly makes them susceptible to rolling over in heavy seas. Or the 4 LCS's that are going to be decommissioned, all being 12 years old or less, of which, several had problems with of all things, galvanic corrosion. I mean, who woulda thunk a a $700 million warship would need some kind of protection against galvanic corrosion??? Can we swap you for some Daring Class destroyers , perfect ship apart from when it's warm ...and then the engines give up ...and kinda everything else .?? https://www.forces.net/services/tri-service/5000-faults-recorded-type-45-destroyers Edited June 4, 2021 by Panzerwomble eoyguy, npb748r, Rick Griewski and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 19 minutes ago, Panzerwomble said: ahh...... Blackburn ...in this case a Beverly having just given birth to a new baby DUKW Classic! Panzerwomble and npb748r 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 18 hours ago, npb748r said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57348573 No great surprise that a military contract is both over overrunning in timescales and budget, that seems to be standard however this one looks like there's some design problems as well. I'm no expert in armoured vehicles but it strikes me that it will need to be able to reverse over an obstacle that is higher than 20cm's, the maximum that the new Ajax has managed to achieve so far. Not sure if this is General Dynamics or MOD fault however it doesn't look good for all concerned. We should have got British Leyland to build it based on an Allegro. "Mr Tusa said the only thing the Ajax programme seemed to have delivered so far was tinnitus." From the article. "The only thing the Zumwalt class has delivered is a pain in the budget." Anon. npb748r 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerwomble Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, D.B. Andrus said: "The only thing the Zumwalt class has delivered is a pain in the budget." Anon. Only $800K a shell ....honestly the Pentagon has no sense of humour at all ....I thought the idea of a rail gun was that it could project anything as long as it was steel....... pretty much ? eoyguy, npb748r, Rick Griewski and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Griewski Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 My usually under the radar plan during product development was to make people write requirements. This is hard. These are boring and no one likes confrontation. MBA types and political types however would buy in because their personal visions (many narcissistic folks) would be recorded. They would then quickly get bored with the details. All the remaining requirements were not about having them heros of the company’s vision; no cares. The huge number of useful requirements would then be written. Yupp weight and moving through the doorways of the worlds Operating Rooms would be there (tanks ground clearance). Much other truly boring items and categories were included. During scheduling development allow all the fluff to be included with quiet intentions to later allow MBAs to cut schedule to get a pat on the back career enhancement. Many prototypes and testing against requirements allowed focus on design that needed to be fixed. Sneak customers in for requirements validation. The whole process was about the needs of people. D.B. Andrus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 8 hours ago, Panzerwomble said: Latest mock-up of 6th gen carrier fighter(post F-35). Submitted in no-bid RFQ by Bath Iron Works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzerwomble Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 On 6/3/2021 at 10:11 PM, npb748r said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57348573 No great surprise that a military contract is both over overrunning in timescales and budget, that seems to be standard however this one looks like there's some design problems as well. I'm no expert in armoured vehicles but it strikes me that it will need to be able to reverse over an obstacle that is higher than 20cm's, the maximum that the new Ajax has managed to achieve so far. Not sure if this is General Dynamics or MOD fault however it doesn't look good for all concerned. We should have got British Leyland to build it based on an Allegro. Just to be correct on nomenclature........ there is no "UK Army" ...it is the "British Army" part of the "British Armed Forces " for the past 361 years at least . npb748r and RLWP 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonH Posted June 5, 2021 Share Posted June 5, 2021 Don't believe everything you read. This is a smokescreen to lull our enemies into a false sense of security so they will attack us and then we can kick their asses. I think there is a flaw in that argument somewhere but can't quite spot it. D.B. Andrus, npb748r and thierry laurent 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
npb748r Posted June 5, 2021 Author Share Posted June 5, 2021 5 hours ago, Panzerwomble said: Just to be correct on nomenclature........ there is no "UK Army" ...it is the "British Army" part of the "British Armed Forces " for the past 361 years at least . if we want to be entirely correct it's no longer large enough to be classified as an army !! GusM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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