Anders_Isaksson Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere that the Tamiya F-4C/D/J Phantoms should need a nosejob. Has anyone used this set? https://www.djparkins.com/product.php?productid=17694 Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I have not used it, but was able to recently purchase this through Hannants. Mark Proulx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Andrus Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I have an example. It's beautifully cast, however, have not fitted it yet. HTH, Damian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Needham Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I have built a couple of the big 1/32 Tamiya Phantoms over the years (D and J) and whilst it now shows its age overall, what is wrong with the kit nose? Gary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark P Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 The Flightpath radome represents the early version w/o the "donkey dork" on the underside, not supplied by Tamiya. This radome applicable to some of the Bolo Phantoms. IIRC, GT Resins was also considering a resin radome. Mark Proulx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly7 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I'm getting a " your clock is ahead " messg. when clicking on the djparkings.com site. Anybody know what's up with this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 4 hours ago, Gary Needham said: I have built a couple of the big 1/32 Tamiya Phantoms over the years (D and J) and whilst it now shows its age overall, what is wrong with the kit nose? Gary Hi Gary I'm no Phantom expert, although I am on a steep learning curve with my British conversion. I wondered as well why a new nose?? When you look into it the Tamiya radome is way too flat and the lower profile is all wrong leading up the the NLG door. See how deep it is here... Here is a comparison of the 2 Now, from what I understand so far, this only goes part the way to fixing the issue (please those that know better, correct me). Tamiya Fuse is slightly short from the first station frame on the airframe front (and slight too vertical?) and the radome is too long, hence the overall length is pretty close. However if you just fit the shorter resin nose you are only making the front even shorter. My plan is to cut a couple of mm (I'll be more accurate at the time) off the kit nose as this will help sort the slight shortage in the front, which also makes the leading edge of the air conditioning ducts end up in the right place, rather than cut them back. Then the resin nose can be fitted or you can choose to modify the Tamiya part which I might do as I will be deepening the radome anyway. There is a lot of discussion on my build thread here, hopefully this link is to the right page The discussion starts on Page 24, HTH Cheers Anthony Anders_Isaksson, Gary Needham, Derek B and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Anders_Isaksson said: I haven’t seen mentioned anywhere that the Tamiya F-4C/D/J Phantoms should need a nosejob. Has anyone used this set? https://www.djparkins.com/product.php?productid=17694 Anders, See above my reply Cheers Derek B and Anders_Isaksson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Needham Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Thanks for the replies chaps and I had no idea of this issue. The difference is quite significant once it is pointed out. Gary Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders_Isaksson Posted May 24, 2021 Author Share Posted May 24, 2021 Many thanks Anthony and all for the input! I will look into this some more and consider modifying the front fuselage. Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders_Isaksson Posted May 25, 2021 Author Share Posted May 25, 2021 On 5/21/2021 at 10:57 PM, Anthony in NZ said: ... Tamiya Fuse is slightly short from the first station frame on the airframe front (and slight too vertical?) and the radome is too long, hence the overall length is pretty close. However if you just fit the shorter resin nose you are only making the front even shorter. My plan is to cut a couple of mm (I'll be more accurate at the time) off the kit nose as this will help sort the slight shortage in the front, which also makes the leading edge of the air conditioning ducts end up in the right place, rather than cut them back. Then the resin nose can be fitted or you can choose to modify the Tamiya part which I might do as I will be deepening the radome anyway. ... Just a few more questions: 1. What do you mean by "deepening the radome", do you plan to add material to the underside of the radome and area down to the nose gear bay? 2. Would a good way be to keep part of the base of Tamiya's radome to sandwhich in between the resin nose and kit forward fuselage in order to keep the correct overall fuselage length? That is how I understand your description above but I wanted to double check. I read your WIP from page 24 and forward but I am still a bit confused about which route to take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony in NZ Posted May 25, 2021 Share Posted May 25, 2021 6 hours ago, Anders_Isaksson said: Just a few more questions: 1. What do you mean by "deepening the radome", do you plan to add material to the underside of the radome and area down to the nose gear bay? 2. Would a good way be to keep part of the base of Tamiya's radome to sandwhich in between the resin nose and kit forward fuselage in order to keep the correct overall fuselage length? That is how I understand your description above but I wanted to double check. I read your WIP from page 24 and forward but I am still a bit confused about which route to take. No problem I am not sure yet myself. Possibly I will modify the Tamiya kit radome to make deeper and make some cuts to the lower fuselage and bend the nose down in front of the nose gear bay But I havent studied this as much at the moment on the best way to go sorry Cheers Anthony Anders_Isaksson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anders_Isaksson Posted May 27, 2021 Author Share Posted May 27, 2021 On 5/25/2021 at 9:38 PM, Anthony in NZ said: No problem I am not sure yet myself. Possibly I will modify the Tamiya kit radome to make deeper and make some cuts to the lower fuselage and bend the nose down in front of the nose gear bay But I havent studied this as much at the moment on the best way to go sorry Cheers Anthony No worries! Thanks for the info so far. I will look into getting the Flightpath nose and go from there. Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenshb Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Are the radomes of the FG.1+FGR.2 the same as the US shortnose Phantoms? Seeing all the differences in Anthony's thread, it wouldn't surprise me that these would be different too... Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Williams Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, jenshb said: Are the radomes of the FG.1+FGR.2 the same as the US shortnose Phantoms? Seeing all the differences in Anthony's thread, it wouldn't surprise me that these would be different too... There is a small antenna fairing on the underside of F-4J radomes, that I think is part of the DECM system. That wasn’t present on the FG.1/FGR.2, so the radome was smooth all of the way around. Other than having anything attached underneath, the radome was the same. Edited May 28, 2021 by Dave Williams Anthony in NZ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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